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    50 years later: what happened?

    I was born in the late 60s, so I can't answer this question for myself...

    The 60s is well documented as a period of cultural upheaval (in the US, at least). Hippies, summer of love, civil rights movement, rock and roll, Woodstock, Vietnam protests. A very progressive time.

    The people that came of age during that period are now in their 60s and 70s and are overwhelmingly conservative. So, WTF happened?

    If anybody knows of a book that attempts to explain this phenomenon, please let me know.
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    GENERALLY: it is more an aging then a generation phenomenon. Those in the retired years have seen their income producing years vanish over the horizon, while their ability to be self-sufficient diminish. Here is Blue Tsunami SoCal, the libers of the 60's still remain so now --- but their numbers are shrinking.
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    Boomers are anti-authority, trusting no one, and questioning everything. That's the hippie/counter-culture ethos. When some loud, braggadocious pundits come on TV or on the radio and say "Hey, I'm not the establishment! They're all liars. You can believe me!" that inner counter-culture springs up and says "Ya know, he's right. CNN, MSNBC, and NPR are all the establishment. These new guys are speakin' my language," and thus begins the documentary The Brainwashing Of My Father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_fuji View Post
    Boomers are anti-authority, trusting no one, and questioning everything. That's the hippie/counter-culture ethos. When some loud, braggadocious pundits come on TV or on the radio and say "Hey, I'm not the establishment! They're all liars. You can believe me!" that inner counter-culture springs up and says "Ya know, he's right. CNN, MSNBC, and NPR are all the establishment. These new guys are speakin' my language," and thus begins the documentary The Brainwashing Of My Father.

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    We have a couple of round-table discussions; low-key, hands-off meetings arranged by one of the local churches. This very thing came up in a meeting last fall, as a tangent off of the main point which was about sexism.
    Vietnam, Domino Theory and the Pentagon Papers left an indelible mark on the Boomers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SauronHimself View Post
    Of course, George does a much better job than I ever could of describing the transformation, but I'd still like to know the cause of the transformation.

    At first blush, The Brainwashing of my Dad seems a little far-fetched...you'd have to have a whole lot of people incapable of thinking for themselves. Although, in America, I suppose it's possible.

    If anybody has a book that examines things from a scientific/psychological perspective, I'm all ears.
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    I'd keep in mind that the folks wearing tie die and dropping acid at the protest rally weren't necessarily representative of everyone in their generation. There were plenty of "squares" out there.

    Plus, looking like a hippie and engaging with the counter culture did not necessarily make one progressive. The Manson family hung out with the Beach Boys in groovy California, but they wanted to start a race war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feh View Post
    Of course, George does a much better job than I ever could of describing the transformation, but I'd still like to know the cause of the transformation.

    At first blush, The Brainwashing of my Dad seems a little far-fetched...you'd have to have a whole lot of people incapable of thinking for themselves. Although, in America, I suppose it's possible.

    If anybody has a book that examines things from a scientific/psychological perspective, I'm all ears.
    At some point (customarily in their 50's) a man has to have this conversation with himself:

    Do I grow old or do I grow bitter?

    For the next few days do some window shopping and glance at men over 50. You might discover there are two groups. Its a safe bet bitter ones are grumpy cons growing while watching FOX and listening to Drudge/Rush/Prager/Elder/Miller/et al.

    As Sun Tzu wrote 2500 years ago in his book, The Art of War, “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak” so now you know why insecure, growing feeble, and fear of dying old men act as they do.
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    It's just old saying ringing true...

    "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older, you have no brain."
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    It's just old saying ringing true...

    "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older, you have no brain."
    The fact that you can repeat that, after watching the Trump (or GWB) presidency, is astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    It's just old saying ringing true...

    "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older, you have no brain."
    It's just old saying, a way for older conservatives to self-congratulate.

    Truth be told, though, the age-related loss of neuroplasticity is a drag, QED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    It's just old saying ringing true...

    "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older, you have no brain."
    It is comical to watch faux conservatives support the Trump Presidency. No brain, no guiding principles, just trigger the libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    It's just old saying ringing true...

    "If you aren't a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you get older, you have no brain."
    The term for this is confirmation bias.
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    this boomer is more leftist now than at any other time.

    started my political life as a bit of a red-neck republican...as an ignorant draft-eligible teenager, I voted for Tricky Dick. get tough on those gooks, hell yeah....U-S-A! luckily, I was spared involvement in the whole horrible VN debacle.

    education, maturing, and expanding my consciousness showed me the error of my ways.

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    At the end of Woodstock, everyone left all their crap behind. They have always been selfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    At the end of Woodstock, everyone left all their crap behind. They have always been selfish.

    American crowds are still like that to this day. It is not just a generational thing - as a people Americans are selfish slobs.
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    Remember liberal comedian Mort Sahl? Who? Anyway, on his 1960's late night TV talk show (which I watched religiously BTW), he'd scribble a chart on a blackboard that pigeon-holed every celebrity/semi-celebrity/politician of the day onto a left-right continuum. As he did it, Mort would sometimes say that the chart takes into account the person's drift to the right until his death.
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