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    Can Teaparty electing their own President be next??

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/..._party_militia

    This is starting to get scary that actual elected officals think this is is a good idea.


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    Good news for the dems. Dividing the right into right and splinter far-far right parties will only hurt conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossracer
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/..._party_militia

    This is starting to get scary that actual elected officals think this is is a good idea.


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    "Tea party leader J.W. Berry of the Tulsa-based OKforTea began soliciting interest in a state militia through his newsletter under the subject "Buy more guns, more bullets."

    "It's not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that," Berry said. "This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature."

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    It's nothing new though obviously the author has no clue of the existence of "State Defense Forces", which are in effect militias. Oklahoma is one of the states that currently doesn't have a SDF.

    State Defense Forces (SDF) (also known as State Guards, State Military Reserves, or State Militias) in the United States are military units that operate under the sole authority of a state government, they are not regulated by the National Guard Bureau nor are they part of the Army National Guard of the United States. State Defense Forces are authorized by state and federal law and are under the command of the governor of each state. State Defense Forces are distinct from their state's National Guard in that they cannot become federal entities (all National Guard units can be federalized under the Militia Act of 1903 with the creation of the National Guard of the United States). The federal government recognizes State Defense Forces under 32 U.S.C. 109 which provides that State Defense Forces as a whole may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the Armed Forces of the United States, thus preserving their separation from the National Guard.

    Nearly every state has laws authorizing State Defense Forces, and 22 states, plus Puerto Rico, have active SDFs with different levels of activity, support, and strength. State Defense Forces generally operate with emergency management and homeland security missions. Most SDFs are organized as Army units, but Air and Naval units also exist.
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    militia

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    in five years this is where most teabaggers will be.

    they'll get more radicalized, convinced the president is a muslim/communist/kenyan/dictator/etc and be absorbed into militia groups, the patriot movement, tax revolt groups, etc.

    the sane teabaggers, who are simply shell-shocked by the election of Barack Obama--and the fact that the conservative project of the last 30 years has failed so miserably--will become part of (what will have to become) a more moderate republican party.

    when does it happen? republicans need the tea partiers this november. but if they have significant gains the 'baggers will want them to move further right.

    the 2012 candidate will either be a "managerial class"-type like Mitt Romney, a corn-pone faux populist like Huckabee/Palin or a full-blown wacko like Rick Santorum.
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    I'm thinking about the typical membership of these militias. Now I am thinking about the primary threat to the state of Oklahoma. . .

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    the road

    to total whackdome lies ahead
    as they will not realize they are a minority and a small one at that
    they will get violent
    the MORs will drop off scared of the crazies
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    Quote Originally Posted by bricoleur
    managerial corn-pone faux populist wacko
    Stands a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit
    Stands a chance.
    Worked for Dubbya.

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    I wish that the Tea Party advocates would separate themselves from the Republican Party. Doing so would allow the Republicans to better focus on how to improve the country rather than on how to tear it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBiker
    Doing so would allow the Republicans to better focus on how to improve the country rather than on how to tear it down.
    Have Republicans ever actually done that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohair_chair
    Have Republicans ever actually done that???
    TR gave us national parks system and anti-trust regulations. Nixon gave us the EPA. Those are two that immediately pop into mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenB
    TR gave us national parks system and anti-trust regulations. Nixon gave us the EPA. Those are two that immediately pop into mind.
    Lincoln saved the nation. Eisenhower have us Interstates. GWB gave us (deeply flawed, but still) Medicare drug coverage. Nixon was a great liberal on several issues. I'll give the GOP props where it deserves them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OES
    Lincoln saved the nation. Eisenhower have us Interstates. GWB gave us (deeply flawed, but still) Medicare drug coverage. Nixon was a great liberal on several issues. I'll give the GOP props where it deserves them.
    But will you bet on the inclusion of a jubilant retrospective on any of those achievements at the next GOP convention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenB
    TR gave us national parks system and anti-trust regulations. Nixon gave us the EPA. Those are two that immediately pop into mind.
    I'm not talking about specifics. And I'm not talking about 1973 or 1901 or 1865, either. I'm talking about generally, over the last 20 years or so, have Republicans actually focused on improving the country rather than tearing it down? No.

    Also, whatever positives Nixon did are so greatly outweighed by his negatives. It's hard to find a President who knowingly and maliciously did more things to harm this country. But yes, he gave us the EPA.

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    mohair, you probably should've specified "conservative republicans".

    both Eisenhower and Nixon were to the left of Clinton on economic issues.

    the realignment of the parties (ie liberal northeastern republicans swapping with conservative southern democrats) that began in '48, and accelerated after '64, is still playing out (although it was mostly completed in '94).

    conservatism has failed.

    one-class conservatism (ie the kind the GOP espouses, as opposed to the Tories 'one-nation conservatism') has too many contradictions, and its two major constituencies are at complete odds with each other (lassez-faire financial types and cultural conservatives). it will keep blowing-up, failing, re-interpreting, revising, etc. etc. it simply makes no sense. these two constituencies talk in completely different language, use different narratives, etc--the only time you realize they're in the same party is when an election is close, and they start defending the same candidate.

    libruls, progressives, leftists, etc. squabble non-stop over process (witness the recent healthcare debate), means, urgency, etc. but they're pointed in the same direction and share broad goals.

    cultural conservatives and laissez-faire financial types are completely in contradiction.

    /rant off--this wasn't so much aimed at mohair, but I replied to his post and then "kept goin'" ;-)
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    teabaggers get crushed by conservative economic policies. then turn around, post-Reagan and post-Dubya, and claim their 'piece of the pie' is being shifted downward--not even realizing it has been shifted upward over the preceding 8 years.

    this narrative is very important to the republican establishment. witness FOX News, right-bloggers, even posters here, talking constantly about "teat" recently. the story, non-stop over the last week, has been that "50% pay no taxes". this no doubt has to do with tax day approaching, but it will be important for teabag turnout this fall as well, and it will get ugly.

    the narrative they need to be fed is one of a vast army of welfare moms, driving around the inner city, in a brand new Cadillac Escalades with 15 kids in tow. (they think) this is their enemy, the source of their discontent.

    they need to be told they're being "taxed to death", even though taxes are at a historical low.
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