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    Down-ballot action is also happening this november

    What a chance to scout the talent, reacquaint ourselves with faces old and new, and give everyone a look-see.

    This guy seems a pretty formidable campaigner:



    This woman does not:

    Donald Trump has never had a wife he didn't cheat on.

    Donald Trump has never won a popular vote in a governmental election.

    There are over 13 million covid cases in the United States (as of Thanksgiving), eleven months after Donald Trump said it was "totally under control," and that "it's gonna be just fine."

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    Hard thing about GA is that Ossoff has to hit 50% or he goes to a runoff. He will almost certainly at least make the runoff, but the runoff could be tough without Trump on the ballot.

    Senate could be a nail biter. Dems have expanded the map, but there are a LOT of very close races

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    But you gotta like how Ossoff just hauled off and busted Perdue right in the chops in the vid in post #1.

    THAT’S how you get to 50% and avoid the run-off (or die trying).
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    2020 will not be the first election where a top of the ticket protest revolt has down ticket ramifications ... particularly with the deciders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    2020 will not be the first election where a top of the ticket protest revolt has down ticket ramifications ... particularly with the deciders.
    And this time around, I'm not even mad about it.

    While I didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I didn't fault anybody for supporting him. There was certainly a principled way to support either. And historically, I have voted for certain Republicans in down ballot races (especially judges).

    This time around, I made the decision that nobody who stands with the party of Trump will have my vote. That went right down to the justice of the peace. I know I'm not the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    And this time around, I'm not even mad about it.

    While I didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I didn't fault anybody for supporting him. There was certainly a principled way to support either. And historically, I have voted for certain Republicans in down ballot races (especially judges).

    This time around, I made the decision that nobody who stands with the party of Trump will have my vote. That went right down to the justice of the peace. I know I'm not the only one.
    Right there with you. I will be voting a straight DEM ticket every election for the next twenty years.

    I'll vote for a two week old tuna fish sandwich with a D next to it before I cast another vote for a Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    Right there with you. I will be voting a straight DEM ticket every election for the next twenty years.

    I'll vote for a two week old tuna fish sandwich with a D next to it before I cast another vote for a Republican.
    Same here ... I voted for a "Significant" number of Republicans in 2016.

    They absolutely BLEW their chance with Trump and I will vote straight Democrat ballot through the next two presidential elections, potentially the rest of my life.

    Supporting a model of racism, misogamy, anti-LGBTQ, anti-health care has lost me for any and all GOP candidates. They need to change their views and find a much better model to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiebiker View Post
    Supporting a model of racism, misogamy, anti-LGBTQ, anti-health care has lost me for any and all GOP candidates. They need to change their views and find a much better model to follow.
    I really believe it starts at the local level. We need to cut all of the R's off at the knees for the next 20 years. All the scum R's in National office got their start on local Boards of Supervisors and City Councils. Make them live with the stench of Trump for generations.

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    My heavily gerrymandered congressional district (Virginia 5th) has a tight race this year. Our former congressman - Republican, libertarian leaning, was ousted in a shady primary because he officiated at the wedding of two of his gay staffers. They replaced him with a bible thumping, former Liberty University employee who is a lousy candidate by any standards except those of the Trump Republican Party. The democrat opponent, Cameron Webb, is a physician, lawyer, truly sharp guy and would be a win for everyone in the district. He leads by 3 points in polls right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfc View Post
    My heavily gerrymandered congressional district (Virginia 5th) has a tight race this year. Our former congressman - Republican, libertarian leaning, was ousted in a shady primary because he officiated at the wedding of two of his gay staffers. They replaced him with a bible thumping, former Liberty University employee who is a lousy candidate by any standards except those of the Trump Republican Party. The democrat opponent, Cameron Webb, is a physician, lawyer, truly sharp guy and would be a win for everyone in the district. He leads by 3 points in polls right now.
    Some of the jerrymandering that happened after the 2010 census has backfired as demographics have changed within the relevant districts.

    For example, my district (TX-7) was jerrymandered as a Republican district and was for many decades. It flipped in 2018 as the wealthier and more educated Suburbs included in the district to balance the more urban parts rebelled against the Trump supporting Congressman who had been in the seat for over 20 years. Our new "D" congresswoman is likely to win reelection and the RNC has pulled funding from her opponent. Even if she loses, the Republican is running as a moderate and handily beat his Trump worshiping opponent in the primary. So the district will stay left of where it was 2018 regardless.

    That's one reason this year is critical for downballot races. State house control in many states (including Texas) will decide whether the new districts that will be with us for a decade are jerryrmandered.

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    The Republican Party has simply become toxic.

    Can’t support them on any level — state, local, or national.

    At this point, wouldn’t vote for a GOPer for dogcatcher.
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    In the 2006 mid-terms, the Dems had major gains in the House.

    In 2008 Obama won the White House.

    In 2018 the Dems had a windfall of House victories, with near record turnout.

    In 2020, it is possible the Dems will win the White and the Senate majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMX View Post
    I really believe it starts at the local level. We need to cut all of the R's off at the knees for the next 20 years. All the scum R's in National office got their start on local Boards of Supervisors and City Councils. Make them live with the stench of Trump for generations.
    Oh, I agree.

    Our Mayor is a Republican and my wife knows him very well, and worked with him in the past.

    I will NOT vote for him when he's up for re-election.
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    Repub-Tard gets roasted. .

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...l%3f0p19G=0232

    The YouTube footage is epic. I’m hope Georgia flushes the “red tide.”

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    Yup, Ossoff owned Perdue in that debate.

    Hilarious that Perdue has now put his tail between his legs and opted out of the final debate. Not sure he knows how bad that looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    The Republican Party has simply become toxic.

    Can’t support them on any level — state, local, or national.

    At this point, wouldn’t vote for a GOPer for dogcatcher.
    Which brings up the question of why hyper-local positions (like drain commissioner and code inspector) are partisan at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemShock View Post
    Yup, Ossoff owned Perdue in that debate.

    Hilarious that Perdue has now put his tail between his legs and opted out of the final debate. Not sure he knows how bad that looks.
    Instead of participating in a final debate with his Democratic challenger Jon Ossoff, Georgia Sen. David Perdue (R) will spend his Sunday at a rally with President Trump.

    Perdue announced his change of plans on Thursday. In response, Ossoff tweeted, "At last night's debate, millions saw that Perdue had no answers when I called him out on his record of blatant corruption, widespread disease, and economic devastation. Shame on you, senator."

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_fuji View Post
    Which brings up the question of why hyper-local positions (like drain commissioner and code inspector) are partisan at all.
    Excellent point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_fuji View Post
    Which brings up the question of why hyper-local positions (like drain commissioner and code inspector) are partisan at all.

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    Frankly, I think it's an outgrowth of the patronage system, especially in areas strongly controlled by one party.

    For example, it used to be that here in Texas, if you wanted to become a judge you were pretty much required to ingratiate yourself to the Republican party. Whomever ended up on the R ticket for judge made it into office. With so many judges up for election (my ballot usually has 2-3 dozen), and so many wannabes, there's a big pool of successful lawyers who are built-in fundraisers and organizers.

    Positions where technical competence is required should absolutely NOT be elected positions. They should be civil service jobs that are applied for and selected based on the person best for the job. Other countries do that. For example, in the U.K., prospective judges take an exam and successful candidates go through a training program. In France and Germany, becoming a judge is a separate and specific career path. Here, anybody with a bar card (and in some cases without one) can get on the right party's ticket and become a judge- even if they've never seen a trial in their life. Voters typically have no idea who the judge candidates are beyond the letter next to their names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_fuji View Post
    Which brings up the question of why hyper-local positions (like drain commissioner and code inspector) are partisan at all.

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    To avoid "pay to play" corruption comes to mind.

    If you have ever been in a 3rd world foreign nation, you soon learn that any request for services, including those from lowly government agents like dog catchers, requires offering a monetary incentive.

    However I seem to recall some local jurisdiction ballots for drain commissioner type positions, not allowing overt party affiliation identification to keep these elections at arms length from party politics.

    Nevertheless I can understand why this topic seems so annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    To avoid "pay to play" corruption comes to mind.

    If you have ever been in a 3rd world foreign nation, you soon learn that any request for services, including those from lowly government agents like dog catchers, requires offering a monetary incentive.

    However I seem to recall some local jurisdiction ballots for drain commissioner type positions, not allowing overt party affiliation identification to keep these elections at arms length from party politics.

    Nevertheless I can understand why this topic seems so annoying.
    I'm not sure that applies outside of small communities. In a small community, you'd likely personally know the people running for these types of positions, or at least know people who know them. I live in a city and county of 4 million+ people. I typically have no idea who the people are in the down ballot races. Heck, I'm a lawyer and I have no idea who 80% of the judges on the ballot are. Unless they are actually charged with a crime, I'd have no way of knowing if they are corrupt.

    I'd also point out that these types of jobs are applied-for civil service jobs in most of Europe, and there's no more "pay to play" in Western Europe than there is here. It's more about general quality of governance and social trust than the way local positions are selected for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    I'd also point out that these types of jobs are applied-for civil service jobs in most of Europe, and there's no more "pay to play" in Western Europe than there is here. It's more about general quality of governance and social trust than the way local positions are selected for.
    Most of Europe and Western Europe are two different things, but unless you have been to such places as Bulgaria, Romania, or Albania, it would be easy to misunderstand pay for play and quality of government service. From minor traffic tickets to building permits the quality of service is connected to the quality of service you can afford to, err, be generous to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrup...ceptions_Index
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Most of Europe and Western Europe are two different things, but unless you have been to such places as Bulgaria, Romania, or Albania, it would be easy to misunderstand pay for play and quality of government service. From minor traffic tickets to building permits the quality of service is connected to the quality of service you can afford to, err, be generous to.
    However, that's what the GOP wants ... pure capitalism. It's all about what you can afford to pay ... if you can't, you don't receive that service.

    No socialism to be found anywhere.

    • Can't afford to put your kids through school ... homelessness is the only option, or fast food jobs at best.
    • Can't afford to pay for police protection ... you get robbed, beaten, raped, killed
    • Can't afford to pay for fire department protection ... your house burns down
    • Can't afford health insurance ... you die, or deal with debilitating conditions that prevent you from working, which means you can't afford anything.


    Sounds like a world several members on this forum WANT, but would hate living in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Most of Europe and Western Europe are two different things, but unless you have been to such places as Bulgaria, Romania, or Albania, it would be easy to misunderstand pay for play and quality of government service. From minor traffic tickets to building permits the quality of service is connected to the quality of service you can afford to, err, be generous to.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrup...ceptions_Index
    Exactly. Western and Eastern Europe have vastly different levels of corruption but they are appointed civil servants in both cases.

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