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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
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    Epstein raped a 15 year old girl and Dershowitz continues to protect him
    The victim was presumably bare during the crime and had bones. Dershowitz was not involved. Not guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Peterson says, and I've witnessed this since student days, that it's great to work for a just cause, but first, you have to get your sh!t together....
    Your judgment of others noted, along with the observation that the "social justice warriors" (i.e., people who are working to make the world a better place) you speak of don't need or seek your approval, and likely don't GAF whether you think they "have their **** together."

    The rest of your post is just drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Your judgment of others noted, along with the observation that the "social justice warriors" (i.e., people who are working to make the world a better place) you speak of don't need or seek your approval, and likely don't GAF whether you think they "have their **** together."

    The rest of your post is just drivel.
    How did you determine the social justice warriors are trying to make the world a better place?

    Who went up to the mountain or found the golden tablets in the cave?

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    How did you determine the social justice warriors are trying to make the world a better place?

    Who went up to the mountain or found the golden tablets in the cave?

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
    Right as usual Jimbo...who would want to live in this hellscape of Dante's inferno.

    Shivers...

    Social justice is a political and philosophical concept which holds that all people should have equal access to wealth, health, well-being, justice, and opportunity.
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    To be "fair and balanced" there is such a things as real news on Fox News.

    It happens for one hour during the Shepard Smith Reporting show. The other 23 hours are mostly slated opinion info-entertainment broadcasts with a few early morning "be beautiful and thin tomorrow" infomercial when drunks are on the highway.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    Right as usual Jimbo...who would want to live in this hellscape of Dante's inferno.

    Shivers...

    Social justice is a political and philosophical concept which holds that all people should have equal access to wealth, health, well-being, justice, and opportunity.
    Well, as brother Jordan says, "You can engineer equal opportunity but not equal outcome." He said insisting on equal outcome creates totalitarian states run by incompetent bureaucrats looking out for themselves. In Russia it lasted 50 years; in China 25 years, Dante's inferno, right there, in Stalingrad.

    Women, hispanics, blacks have equal rights under the law, no question. Jim Crow is dead. But when SJWs over-reach to rout out racists, xenophobes, misogynists, sexual predators, or Russian bots behind every rock, society is in trouble. This is well documented by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago," and "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich."

    When college students attack "conservative" speakers, such as Peterson, Ben Shapiro, ban them on campus, get professors fired for daring to entertain notions off the party line, currently that the founding fathers were slavers, or sanitize the past by painting over murals that depict slavery, groups like the Proud Boys come back and say, "No way. Nobody takes down that statue of Robert E. Lee!" They'll blame Jewish bankers, Hollywood producers, and artists for their alienation. Get angry all you want, but it won't make them go away.

    The operative SJW concept: "if you don't agree with me, you're unworthy of respect. You have no choice than to agree. I know the truth. And if you've ever messed with my women, your a$$ deserves to be hung on a tree."

    When an individual must submit to authority on things he knows or suspects are false, overwrought, exaggerated, there's the slippery slope into adolescent conformity, the totalitarian state.

    People have to be willing to engage in dialogue to find the truth. In "group think," even joking criticism is impossible. The only humor left is dark, cynical, cruel. People "speak" by example. Make it good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Well, as brother Jordan says, "You can engineer equal opportunity but not equal outcome." He said insisting on equal outcome creates totalitarian states run by incompetent bureaucrats looking out for themselves. In Russia it lasted 50 years; in China 25 years, Dante's inferno, right there, in Stalingrad.

    Women, hispanics, blacks have equal rights under the law, no question. Jim Crow is dead. But when SJWs over-reach to rout out racists, xenophobes, misogynists, sexual predators, or Russian bots behind every rock, society is in trouble. This is well documented by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago," and "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich."

    When college students attack "conservative" speakers, such as Peterson, Ben Shapiro, ban them on campus, get professors fired for daring to entertain notions off the party line, currently that the founding fathers were slavers, or sanitize the past by painting over murals that depict slavery, groups like the Proud Boys come back and say, "No way. Nobody takes down that statue of Robert E. Lee!" They'll blame Jewish bankers, Hollywood producers, and artists for their alienation. Get angry all you want, but it won't make them go away.

    The operative SJW concept: "if you don't agree with me, you're unworthy of respect. You have no choice than to agree. I know the truth. And if you've ever messed with my women, your a$$ deserves to be hung on a tree."

    When an individual must submit to authority on things he knows or suspects are false, overwrought, exaggerated, there's the slippery slope into adolescent conformity, the totalitarian state.

    People have to be willing to engage in dialogue to find the truth. In "group think," even joking criticism is impossible. The only humor left is dark, cynical, cruel. People "speak" by example. Make it good.
    Your post is stupid and you should feel bad that you wasted your time typing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsmybush View Post
    Your post is stupid and you should feel bad that you wasted your time typing it.
    But he has nothing better to do.
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    "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    How did you determine the social justice warriors are trying to make the world a better place?
    Easy, I listen and read to what they have to say.

    You may not like how SJWs prosecute their missions, or how they perceive their missions, but it's clear what their overarching focus is (heck, it's right there in the name--social justice), your disparagements notwithstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
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    The operative SJW concept: "if you don't agree with me, you're unworthy of respect. You have no choice than to agree. I know the truth. And if you've ever messed with my women, your a$$ deserves to be hung on a tree."
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    This straw man quote of yours shows you're badly misinformed about what social justice warriors are all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Easy, I listen and read to what they have to say.

    You may not like how SJWs prosecute their missions, or how they perceive their missions, but it's clear what their overarching focus is (heck, it's right there in the name--social justice), your disparagements notwithstanding.
    Do you deny that the society in social justice includes not just minorities and the poor?

    Why don't we hear about sjws standing up for the middle and upper middle class?

    Maybe I missed something.

    Since you say you read and listen to them, you can tell me who these social justice warriors are and what their priority issues are.

    And please, no links to word salad pronouncements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    This straw man quote of yours shows you're badly misinformed about what social justice warriors are all about.
    Are social justice warriors what people used to call Utopians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Easy, I listen and read to what they have to say.

    You may not like how SJWs prosecute their missions, or how they perceive their missions, but it's clear what their overarching focus is (heck, it's right there in the name--social justice), your disparagements notwithstanding.
    "Social justice" goes both ways. Nobody's going to brand me a racist, Russian bot, Putin shill, "old man," "senile," without payback. And if they put me on ignore, it's no joke. This going all emotional, saying "stupid," or "you're misinformed about what social justice warriors are all about," is a copout.

    I've spent my entire life since being bounced on my Russian grandfather's knee at the age of 4, living in Montreal, NY, DC, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and two cities in ETX, all the while connecting with and informing myself about cultural and political trends. These latter day SJWs have more in common with repressive "socialist" regimes than liberal democracies.

    AOC is the current "bete noir" in congress. If she had any patience with rule of law, she would have voted yes on Pelosi's bill to fund the border detention camps, and bail out those suffering prisoners in these "concentration camps" she compares to Nazi Germany. And yet, rolling on the carbon cleanup bandwagon, she wants action NOW, by 2025, or the world is doomed!

    MLK showed how it's done. His tactics, peaceful protest, were the opposite of the tactics SJWs are using. It's all a matter of respect. SJWs make no effort to understand the enemy. They could GAF, like you say. Peterson and Shapiro strike me as decent thinkers with lots of reasonable stuff to say in this era of social media. I can't for the life of me see why Leftists hate these two so much, and have to conclude it's because they can't tolerate departures from the party line, or criticism of their heavy handed methods.

    I have no doubt there are kind, considerate, respectful SJWs, but they're not making the news. Restore my faith in liberal good works, xxl. I'm disappointed and confused when I keep reading stories like those cited above, and you say I don't understand. What am I missing?

    Are you saying "the ends justify the means?" So did the communist revolutionaries. In the name of social justice, they created total disasters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    Do you deny that the society in social justice includes not just minorities and the poor?

    Why don't we hear about sjws standing up for the middle and upper middle class?

    Maybe I missed something.

    Since you say you read and listen to them, you can tell me who these social justice warriors are and what their priority issues are.

    And please, no links to word salad pronouncements.

    Your desire to be fed only minimal word-counts noted (a lot like our President that way), but unfortunately not everything can be encapsulated in picture books.

    Since you asked, I think you have missed something; you're probably not hearing because you're not listening to SJWs, you're listening to people who talk about them using stereotypes to pigeonhole and dismiss them. These people are trying to use the term as an insult, in lieu of substantive arguments against social justice. If you really want to learn about social justice, the first thing you should do is reject this line of thinking.

    That you wonder why you "never hear about" SJWs working for the non-poor shows you think feminism, or civil rights (two areas where SJWs are active, cf. to be issues unimportant to the middle and upper classes--which just isn't the case--which is why I suggest you're not listening enough.

    Betty Bowers (America's Best Christian!) said it as well as anyone:

    "If you think it's an insult to accuse someone of being for social justice or against fascism, you need to work on your "savage burn".

    You also might consider why social justice seems to be sought more for the poorer socioeconomic groups vs. the non-poor. [Spoiler alert: It's the underlying inequity of opportunity across socioeconomic classes. Turns out, poorer people get hosed a lot, and lacking the societal power of their more monied brethren, can't really do **** about it much of the time--who knew?]

    Re your earlier question, you might start here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    Are social justice warriors what people used to call Utopians?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    This going all emotional, saying "stupid," or "you're misinformed about what social justice warriors are all about," is a copout...

    Is it a "copout" to point out how misinformed you are, when you salt your posts with stereotyping opinionation such as:

    "These latter day SJWs have more in common with repressive 'socialist' regimes than liberal democracies."

    Your saying so does not make it so, despite your self-serving autobiography. And no, I'm not saying the ends justify the means, but you did.

    If you want details on what you're missing, see my response to jimb, er, Easy Riders just above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post

    Why don't we hear about sjws standing up for the middle and upper middle class?

    Maybe I missed something.
    Yeah, you missed something, once again deliberately ignored facts and creating yet another strawman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Your desire to be fed only minimal word-counts noted (a lot like our President that way), but unfortunately not everything can be encapsulated in picture books.

    Since you asked, I think you have missed something; you're probably not hearing because you're not listening to SJWs, you're listening to people who talk about them using stereotypes to pigeonhole and dismiss them. These people are trying to use the term as an insult, in lieu of substantive arguments against social justice. If you really want to learn about social justice, the first thing you should do is reject this line of thinking.

    That you wonder why you "never hear about" SJWs working for the non-poor shows you think feminism, or civil rights (two areas where SJWs are active, cf. to be issues unimportant to the middle and upper classes--which just isn't the case--which is why I suggest you're not listening enough.

    Betty Bowers (America's Best Christian!) said it as well as anyone:

    "If you think it's an insult to accuse someone of being for social justice or against fascism, you need to work on your "savage burn".

    You also might consider why social justice seems to be sought more for the poorer socioeconomic groups vs. the non-poor. [Spoiler alert: It's the underlying inequity of opportunity across socioeconomic classes. Turns out, poorer people get hosed a lot, and lacking the societal power of their more monied brethren, can't really do **** about it much of the time--who knew?]

    Re your earlier question, you might start here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior

    You were asked to name some social justice warriors and their priority issues.

    But you posted word salad instead.

    That wasn't helpful.

    I'm trying to define the term "Social Justice Warrior" and determine what they stand for. You said that through reading and listening you knew.

    If you know, why not share the information?

    Why just post word salad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    You were asked to name some social justice warriors and their priority issues.

    But you posted word salad instead.

    That wasn't helpful.

    I'm trying to define the term "Social Justice Warrior" and determine what they stand for. You said that through reading and listening you knew.

    If you know, why not share the information?

    Why just post word salad?
    You also said you wanted easily digestible low word-count stuff, so I gave you a wiki citation to get you started. If you can't handle that, then I can't help you. But at least you've admitted that you don't know anything about social justice, since you're unfamiliar with who they are and what they stand for (though it doesn't seem to have stopped you from criticism of people who pursue social justice).

    I repeat my suggestions from above, but I'm not going to spoon-feed you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    You were asked to name some social justice warriors and their priority issues.

    But you posted word salad instead.

    That wasn't helpful.

    I'm trying to define the term "Social Justice Warrior" and determine what they stand for. You said that through reading and listening you knew.

    If you know, why not share the information?

    Why just post word salad?
    Word salad?

    Reading really isn't your thing is it?
    "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    You also said you wanted easily digestible low word-count stuff, so I gave you a wiki citation to get you started. If you can't handle that, then I can't help you. But at least you've admitted that you don't know anything about social justice, since you're unfamiliar with who they are and what they stand for (though it doesn't seem to have stopped you from criticism of people who pursue social justice).

    I repeat my suggestions from above, but I'm not going to spoon-feed you.
    Why are you putting words in my mouth?

    I asked you not to simply go off on a word salad tangent, and you turned around and did just that.

    The question was simple.

    You claimed you knew about social justice warriors and their priorities. You claimed the were making the world a better place.

    I asked a simple question: Can you name some of these people and state what actions they are taking to reach what goals.

    The answer doesn't require a high word count and should be easily digestible.

    Names

    Specific goals

    Really. No spoon feeding.

    A few names.

    3 or so of their goals.

    You ask other people to back up their claims, sauce for the goose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    Is it a "copout" to point out how misinformed you are, when you salt your posts with stereotyping opinionation such as:

    "These latter day SJWs have more in common with repressive 'socialist' regimes than liberal democracies."

    Your saying so does not make it so, despite your self-serving autobiography. And no, I'm not saying the ends justify the means, but you did.

    If you want details on what you're missing, see my response to jimb, er, Easy Riders just above.
    Here are all the issues I've been thinking about:

    Examples of such [SJW college students] actions include: calls for safe spaces to expand from the widely accepted need to provide safety to people who have faced serious abuse, assaults, and incidents that have triggered a person's post-traumatic stress disorder, to expand it to include microaggressions and content in courses that is claimed to be triggering for some students; the need for trigger warnings for course content; seeking to forcibly disrupt lectures or speeches by people they oppose based on allegations of bigotry by the speaker; calls being openly heard among some protesters promoting collective guilt upon straight white men by implying that they have dominated public discourse for ages through white privilege and that their privilege means that efforts to include marginalized voices are needed. This use of the snarl word is more aimed at the methods and claimed mis-perceptions of the said SJWs that have been criticized for being hysterical and excessively confrontational. There are concerns by the liberal critics that identity politics and victim mentality connected with that identity politics are playing a large role in the SJW phenomenon at the expense of individuality.

    That's me, the liberal critic.

    Its probably a generational thing. We worked out racial equality, gay rights, women's rights, whole earth globalism, environmental responsibility in the 60s-70s, and feel this time around ideologues characterized above are overreaching, chasing phantoms. Revisionist historians and social media have corrupted much of what we considered common sense, as they write off Washington and Jefferson for being duplicitous slave owners, decide America was founded on the inhuman exploitation of African slaves, et. al.

    This is a guilt trip perpetrated on the alleged victim classes. None of this moral decrepitude is true outside the context of a very successful experiment in nation building. The nation of immigrants starting new lives!

    The response from the right is, don't be ashamed. Be proud! They're right. They resent being humiliated. There's lots left to do, liberate the prisons, distribute wealth to the lower classes in the fom of decent paying jobs and healthcare. But as far as Boomers are concerned, the major battles have been won.

    You wouldn't think so watching the news in the Trump era. He symbolizes wealth, privilege, cruel "real politic," all of which deeply offends the new Left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Riders View Post
    Why are you putting words in my mouth?

    I asked you not to simply go off on a word salad tangent, and you turned around and did just that.

    The question was simple.

    You claimed you knew about social justice warriors and their priorities. You claimed the were making the world a better place.

    I asked a simple question: Can you name some of these people and state what actions they are taking to reach what goals.

    The answer doesn't require a high word count and should be easily digestible.

    Names

    Specific goals

    Really. No spoon feeding.

    A few names.

    3 or so of their goals.

    You ask other people to back up their claims, sauce for the goose....
    Nonsense. I told you that I have listened to and read progressive activists (i.e., what you and others attempt to put down with the perjorative use of the term "social justice warrior"--as per the wiki definition you posted upthread), and that their stated missions were to work for improving society.

    Whether their efforts pan out is a matter of debate, but it should be clear as a clean window that folks whose agenda revolves around improving, e.g., environmental, civil, and gender rights are trying to make things better. I'd prefer such motivations any day to the sorts of numbskulls whose objectives are "to make libruls' heads' assplode."

    So get it straight before you go whining about other people putting words in mouths and having to read too much.

    You disingenuously ask a "simple question," pretending to seek information, about a group of people you've spent hours roundly criticizing anyway--this shows you've already formed your opinion, and are simply trolling for argumentation, so I'm not going to bother with anything more than the wiki cite I gave you, particularly as you moan and kvetch about having to read too much (a "word salad").

    As I told you, I'm not going to bother spoon-feeding you. If you really wanted to find out about something you've been lambasting sans knowledge of it (or you wouldn't have asked me, would you?), you'd have done so.

    Troll thread over.
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