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    Fox News = State Media

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ws-white-house

    Disturbing look at how Fox is Trump state media.

    “Fox is not just taking the temperature of the base—it’s raising the temperature,” she says. “It’s a radicalization model.” For both Trump and Fox, “fear is a business strategy—it keeps people watching.”

    Bill Kristol, who was a paid contributor to Fox News

    “It’s changed a lot. Before, it was conservative, but it wasn’t crazy. Now it’s just propaganda.”
    Joe Peyronnin, a professor of journalism at N.Y.U., was an early president of Fox News,

    “I’ve never seen anything like it before,” he says of Fox. “It’s as if the President had his own press organization. It’s not healthy.”
    Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, conservative who used to appear on the network

    “Fox was begun as a good-faith effort to counter bias, but it’s morphed into something that is not even news,” “It’s simply a mouthpiece for the President, repeating what the President says, no matter how false or contradictory.”
    Trump has told confidants that he has ranked the loyalty of many reporters, on a scale of 1 to 10. Bret Baier, Fox News’ chief political anchor, is a 6; Hannity a solid 10. Steve Doocy, the co-host of “Fox & Friends,” is so adoring that Trump gives him a 12.
    No surprise the delusion bubble dwellers I recently came in contact with watched Fox 24/7

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    I use that term Cult45 only partially in jest. I honestly believe there is a core of Trump*s base that meet the standards for being a true cult. FOX has been complicit in making that happen.
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    Blair Levin, at that time the chief of staff at the F.C.C. and now a fellow at the Brookings Institution

    “Fox’s great insight wasn’t necessarily that there was a great desire for a conservative point of view.” More erudite conservatives, he says, such as William F. Buckley, Jr., and Bill Kristol, couldn’t have succeeded as Fox has. Levin observes, “The genius was seeing that there’s an attraction to fear-based, anger-based politics that has to do with class and race.”
    Fox News’ fundamental business model is driving fear.”
    So true. Trump's base runs on fear and hatred.

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    It has long been rumored that Trump tried to interfere in the ATT/Time Warner merger.

    Trump called Cohn into the Oval Office along with John Kelly, who had just become the chief of staff, and said in exasperation to Kelly, “I’ve been telling Cohn to get this lawsuit filed and nothing’s happened! I’ve mentioned it fifty times. And nothing’s happened. I want to make sure it’s filed. I want that deal blocked!”
    Cohn, a former president of Goldman Sachs, evidently understood that it would be highly improper for a President to use the Justice Department to undermine two of the most powerful companies in the country as punishment for unfavorable news coverage, and as a reward for a competing news organization that boosted him. According to the source, as Cohn walked out of the meeting he told Kelly, “Don’t you ****ing dare call the Justice Department. We are not going to do business that way.”
    a former White House official confirmed that Trump often “vented” in “frustration” about wanting to block the A. T. & T.-Time Warner merger. “The President does not understand the nuances of antitrust law or policy,” the former official says. “But he wanted to bring down the hammer.”
    Reasonable people can see that using Presidential power to seek retribution for the exercise of First Amendment rights is grounds for impeachment.......but the deplorables say nothing.

    Situational ethics.
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    I'm seeing reports this morning that Fox had the Stormy payoff story before the election, but killed it because Murdoch wanted Trump to win.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneMayer...42603378143232

    There are NDAs involved, so who knows if this will go further or not, reporting wise.
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    and all because of the removal of the fairness doctrine
    one nation, under surveillance with liberty and justice for few

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    I'm seeing reports this morning that Fox had the Stormy payoff story before the election, but killed it because Murdoch wanted Trump to win.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JaneMayer...42603378143232

    There are NDAs involved, so who knows if this will go further or not, reporting wise.
    Reporting wise, only if someone talks anonymously.... unless they get someone wealthy willing to pay the fees for breaking the NDA.


    But if they are compelled to testify by court, congress, or a grand jury the NDA is meaningless.
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    Well is just the logical outcome once the United States government decided the Fairness Doctrine was no longer necessary.

    Unshocked!
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Liberal media bias


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    It has long been rumored that Trump tried to interfere in the ATT/Time Warner merger.







    Reasonable people can see that using Presidential power to seek retribution for the exercise of First Amendment rights is grounds for impeachment.......but the deplorables say nothing.

    Situational ethics.
    Also, for government to be picking and choosing winners and losers in the economic system.

    Isn't that...………………………….fascism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Also, for government to be picking and choosing winners and losers in the economic system.

    Isn't that...………………………….fascism?
    Correct. You will find that as one of the 14 identifying characteristics of facisim.

    The 14 characteristics are:

    Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

    Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

    Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

    Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

    Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

    Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

    Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

    Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

    Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

    Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

    Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

    Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

    Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

    Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    The problem is.. Fox News the channel (as opposed to the local Fox affiliates where you get your evening local news and weather etc) is not actually news anymore.

    It is a long list of pundits and the only "news" being reported is actually opinion pieces, and in most cases opinion hit pieces and far right fringe and conspiracy theories, and sometimes blatant racism.

    The people who watch that crap are too stupid to know the difference between opinion and news.. and that include the President... hell.. he is the Head Stupid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljvb View Post
    The problem is.. Fox News the channel (as opposed to the local Fox affiliates where you get your evening local news and weather etc) is not actually news anymore.

    It is a long list of pundits and the only "news" being reported is actually opinion pieces, and in most cases opinion hit pieces and far right fringe and conspiracy theories, and sometimes blatant racism.

    The people who watch that crap are too stupid to know the difference between opinion and news.. and that include the President... hell.. he is the Head Stupid...
    Well its only a matter of time before pay-day loans becomes known as Free Money, poverty declared as Middle Class, the top 1% described as job creators, and all persons not registered as Republicans being socialists.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Well its only a matter of time before pay-day loans becomes known as Free Money, poverty declared as Middle Class, the top 1% described as job creators, and all persons not registered as Republicans being socialists.
    It has been going on for a while.

    The USA loves to talk about its "free" and "democratic" government from its origins as a country...when the reality was that unless you were a white, property-owning, male--of age; you were not a full citizen and had no say in government for most of its history. IOW, the Framers set up a country to be run by New World Nobility--not The People as in "everyone" in any meaning of the sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    It has been going on for a while.

    The USA loves to talk about its "free" and "democratic" government from its origins as a country...when the reality was that unless you were a white, property-owning, male--of age; you were not a full citizen and had no say in government for most of its history. IOW, the Framers set up a country to be run by New World Nobility--not The People as in "everyone" in any meaning of the sense.
    Oh-so progressive Canada didn't fully remove the property qualification for the franchise until 1948.

    Elections Canada Online | The Evolution of the Federal Franchise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bremerradkurier View Post
    Oh-so progressive Canada didn't fully remove the property qualification for the franchise until 1948.

    Elections Canada Online | The Evolution of the Federal Franchise
    Canada wasn't really even a fully independent country until 1931 though (arguably not until 1982 when the ability of the British government to pass legislation for Canada was formally relinquished).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    It has been going on for a while.

    The USA loves to talk about its "free" and "democratic" government from its origins as a country...when the reality was that unless you were a white, property-owning, male--of age; you were not a full citizen and had no say in government for most of its history. IOW, the Framers set up a country to be run by New World Nobility--not The People as in "everyone" in any meaning of the sense.
    If a top priority of a government is to protect its people, and has created an USDA and FDA to prevent harm, plus a Supreme Court which ruled that free speech is not without limits, it seems common sense would require that government to differentiate truthful news.i.e., one where both sides of a story are presented, from, err, entertainment.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Turns out Ailes fed Trump debate questions before the first GOP primary debate on Fox in 2015.

    Silence from the folks who screeched and wailed about Donna Brazile.

    Situational ethics

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Well its only a matter of time before pay-day loans becomes known as Free Money, poverty declared as Middle Class, the top 1% described as job creators, and all persons not registered as Republicans being socialists.
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    What's the Matter with Kansas?

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    Trump propaganda woman Jeanine Pirro spews Islamophobic nonsense. Even Fox had to say something this time.

    "we strongly condemn Jeanine Pirro's comments about Rep. Ilhan Omar. They do not reflect those of the network and we have addressed the matter with her directly."
    Yet they sill have her on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Trump propaganda woman Jeanine Pirro spews Islamophobic nonsense. Even Fox had to say something this time.



    Yet they sill have her on
    Lock her up
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/21/70544...uslim-rhetoric

    Murdoch senior vice president resigned due to how Fox "News" covered Muslims, immigration, and race.

    Deplorable

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    Well, now that Paul Ryan has a job at Fox Corp., I'm sure we can look forward to journalistic integrity.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/media...ion/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/21/70544...uslim-rhetoric

    Murdoch senior vice president resigned due to how Fox "News" covered Muslims, immigration, and race.

    Deplorable
    "Scaring people. Demonizing immigrants. Creating, like, a fervor — or an anxiety about what was happening in our country," former News Corp. Senior Vice President Joseph Azam tells NPR in his first public comments on his former employer.

    Hate to have to say it. CNN and MSNBC are responsible for exactly what's bolded above over Donald Trump, his Russia connections, his business dealings, his sex life, diet, time spent watching TV, and now his sanity. This is a departure from reality, folks. The Nicolas Sandman story and the Kavanaugh hearings are two perfect examples. Y'all are being conned into this anxiety. It isn't accurate on what IS happening in the country. The anxiety is misplaced.

    All sides are Tweeting their views on social media. We need Truth and Reconciliation. Americans have much more in common than at any time in our past, except possibly WW2. Let's come out of our bubbles, figure out what we can agree on, and move forward! Identity politics is tearing us apart.
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