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    Crickets. There are no fiscal conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Crickets. There are no fiscal conservatives.
    The only thing left of the Republican party are RINO's ... Republicans in name only.

    It's now the POT ... Party of Trump

    Any argument otherwise is moot. Fiscal conservatism has gone away in place of tax breaks for the wealthy, massive budget deficits and unbalanced budgets.
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    Supply side --- deregulate --- targeted tax cuts for the job creators
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Supply side --- deregulate --- targeted tax cuts for the job creators
    LOL ... and at what point has any of those ideas actually worked in the real world for any extended period of time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiebiker View Post
    LOL ... and at what point has any of those ideas actually worked in the real world for any extended period of time?
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    Well for the top 1% its worked extremely well --- the visual definition of reverse Robinhood economics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Crickets. There are no fiscal conservatives.
    Republicans have been borrow and spend for decades.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Crickets. There are no fiscal conservatives.
    They are busy crying about important stuff like Andrew Jackson's picture.

    Don't worry, as soon as there is a Dem in the White House they will go back to wailing about the deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Republicans have been borrow and spend for decades.




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    You didn’t finish the thought. Republicans have been “borrow and spend” for decades, yes. But so-called conservatives who refuse to call them on it don’t do it because the money is coming from somewhere else... rather than their taxes. They’re no better than the consumer who runs up massive credit card debt because (in their minds) it’s not “real” money. They aren’t conservatives at all, just greedy.

    Here’s a little fiscal thought experiment.

    In what way is the Republican method of borrow and spend different from a Ponzi scheme?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    Crickets. There are no fiscal conservatives.
    What about faux libertarians like Rand Paul?
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    I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    What about faux libertarians like Rand Paul?
    You mean the LINO's right? We have several on this forum.

    (Libertarians in name only)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised either.
    So what you're saying is....you don't want to pay for anything and expect to still have it. That is what the "I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending." position boils down to.


    The reason they cannot cut it--it is all important to various constituencies everywhere. Only people who don't know what the heck their government does think stuff can easily be cut without causing havoc. No one thought that Trump shutting down the federal government for 2 months would do much to anyone not an employee--except it did. CSPC had several cycling related recalls delayed massively because no one could work....NVM trash removal/service of national parks/monuments...and all the work that goes on in every department--suspended because conservatives believe in the Tooth Fairy approach to funding government.

    I'm pretty disgusted by conservative's "I want to have my cake and eat it too" attitude. Not at all surprised that it is there...even less surprised they seem proud of their matter of fact admissions that they want to be self-described deadbeats who don't want to pay for the stuff they want and use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    So what you're saying is....you don't want to pay for anything and expect to still have it. That is what the "I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending." position boils down to.


    The reason they cannot cut it--it is all important to various constituencies everywhere. Only people who don't know what the heck their government does think stuff can easily be cut without causing havoc. No one thought that Trump shutting down the federal government for 2 months would do much to anyone not an employee--except it did. CSPC had several cycling related recalls delayed massively because no one could work....NVM trash removal/service of national parks/monuments...and all the work that goes on in every department--suspended because conservatives believe in the Tooth Fairy approach to funding government.

    I'm pretty disgusted by conservative's "I want to have my cake and eat it too" attitude. Not at all surprised that it is there...even less surprised they seem proud of their matter of fact admissions that they want to be self-described deadbeats who don't want to pay for the stuff they want and use.
    It means "cut stuff for people less fortunate than me". Conservatives want govt to continue to do the things that they need done... oversized military, garbage collection, firefighters, infrastructure... but for those things that they can do without... safety net, medicare, ssi... cut them. So consider the huge wealth gap between rich & poor and then realize who is hurt by cutting taxes primarily for the rich while simultaneously cutting social programs that help the poor. "Fiscal conservatives" is as much of an oxymoron as "compassionate conservatives".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWC View Post
    It means "cut stuff for people less fortunate than me". Conservatives want govt to continue to do the things that they need done... oversized military, garbage collection, firefighters, infrastructure... but for those things that they can do without... safety net, medicare, ssi... cut them. So consider the huge wealth gap between rich & poor and then realize who is hurt by cutting taxes primarily for the rich while simultaneously cutting social programs that help the poor. "Fiscal conservatives" is as much of an oxymoron as "compassionate conservatives".
    Over on BikeForums there is a thread about skyrocketing costs of organized bike rides.

    One of the many reasons is that city/county/state governments cannot raise taxes to maintain roads or cover police escort presence---because conservatives are deadbeats. And actually paying for services/infrastructure voters want is political/career suicide for elected officials. Result? Rides need "permits" and so on to cover use of government infrastructure/service. Locales cannot raise actual "taxes" but they can implement arcane "use fees" that are all but--that regular voters never know or notice unless they get dinged....and it costs more to "use fee" things than have a tax.


    I once looked at a property tax map of Provo, Utah. Over half-the-city land area is BYU or Church property....so what? Well, things like fire departments and so on are usually funded by property taxes. Guess what, ALL that BYU and Mor(m)on land everywhere is assessed in value as? $0.00. Rather hard to fund city services when most of the city is tax exempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised either.
    What should they cut?

    You have been asked this multiple times but you always run away and hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Republicans have been borrow and spend for decades.
    Yep --- The Not-So-New Green Deal.

    Also known as Reverse Robinhood or Reagenomics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    What should they cut? You have been asked this multiple times but you always run away and hide.
    Why do you lie?

    From 3/29/19

    Originally Posted by Doctor FalsettiWhat do you want to cut?

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    All of it. Start with a 5% across the board cut (an actual cut, not a reduction in the amount of increase), and then freeze it there for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy69 View Post
    Republicans have been borrow and spend for decades.
    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    I'm pretty disgusted that they can't cut spending. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised either.
    But you both continue to support them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    Why do you lie?

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    Originally Posted by Doctor FalsettiWhat do you want to cut?
    Why 5%? Why not 10? Or 2%?

    Your number sounds like a number you picked because it "sounds" good to you, not one that is based on any careful assessment of what government programs might actually need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    Why do you lie?

    From 3/29/19

    Originally Posted by Doctor FalsettiWhat do you want to cut?
    QUESTION: Did the Simpson-Bowles Deficit Reduction Comission consider your "Start with a 5% across the board cut" proposal. https://www.thebalance.com/simpson-b...306323#summary

    I know that Commission suggest a way to end deficit spending and reduce the national debt through a variety of common sense actions, but can't recall simply a 5% cut approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    But you both continue to support them.
    All things considered, they are by far the best of the two options. Or if you prefer, they are the least worst option.
    "The American people elected Donald Trump as the President of the United States, and not Hillary. I don't think the left is taking this loss as well as they could have"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    Why do you lie?

    From 3/29/19

    Originally Posted by Doctor FalsettiWhat do you want to cut?
    If you believe that, you really should vocally denounce Trump and his devastating fiscal policies right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    All of it. Start with a 5% across the board cut (an actual cut, not a reduction in the amount of increase), and then freeze it there for a while.
    Such small thinking. How long is "a while"?

    Cause a 5% across the board cut amounts to 190 billion. At that rate it'll take 115 years to pay off the debt.
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