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    an international treaty to permanently ban the use of drones in war

    For or against?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    For or against?
    Nay.



    Reminds me of Princess Di and her landmine campaign.
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    explain the justification to be used for banning them.

    they're relatively inexpensive (compared to manned aircraft), have long loiter times, and there's no friendly casualties incurred if they're shot down or auger in due to mechanical issues.

    some would say those are fairly compelling reasons to utilize them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    explain the justification to be used for banning them.
    hellifiknow... the green party candidate suggested it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    hellifiknow... the green party candidate suggested it
    maybe if they're solar-powered, they would approve...
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    Why don't we just have a requirement where all politicians anywhere who vote to send troops into any combat zone in the world must also go themselves, or they may send their firstborn in their place. Oh, and they don't get to hang out in a DMZ or ride around in a super-armored vehicle; they get the same protection as the people they are sending there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    explain the justification to be used for banning them.

    they're relatively inexpensive (compared to manned aircraft), have long loiter times, and there's no friendly casualties incurred if they're shot down or auger in due to mechanical issues.

    some would say those are fairly compelling reasons to utilize them.
    Perhaps there are those who feel that perpetual airborne surveillance (and indiscriminate death they deal) in all corners of the globe seems to make the US a lot like the fascist states of history that we are so fond of demonizing. But we're not fascists, right? This is AMERICA!!!! And when we kill innocent bystanders and rape women, we do that in the name of freedom, right?

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    Drones don't kill people, their controllers do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erj549 View Post
    Perhaps there are those who feel that perpetual airborne surveillance (and indiscriminate death they deal) in all corners of the globe seems to make the US a lot like the fascist states of history that we are so fond of demonizing. But we're not fascists, right? This is AMERICA!!!! And when we kill innocent bystanders and rape women, we do that in the name of freedom, right?
    You rape women a lot do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    For or against?
    Ahm agin it.

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    "The price tag for the remote control drone war keeps rising," explained Jefferson Morley in his Salon column. "Americans are paying an extra $100 million a month because of the drone war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, according to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakebit View Post
    You rape women a lot do you?
    Not me personally, just representatives of my country in far-off lands that we have no business being in. Any other questions, smartass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erj549 View Post
    Not me personally, just representatives of my country in far-off lands that we have no business being in. Any other questions, smartass?
    Not if you're gonna be thata way about it.

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    "indiscriminate death"

    Hardly...


    Pinpoint death is more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtox View Post
    explain the justification to be used for banning them.

    they're relatively inexpensive (compared to manned aircraft), have long loiter times, and there's no friendly casualties incurred if they're shot down or auger in due to mechanical issues.

    some would say those are fairly compelling reasons to utilize them.
    Drones are cute little fellows, nothing compared to a volley of bunker buster bombs or an ICBM! I can see future drone wars, like computer games, operated from the safety of bunkers where nobody gets hurt. The winner is the one who ends up with the most drones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
    For or against?
    I am totally for it, but not until the International Treaty to Permanently Ban People Doing Bad Things is passed. Let's focus on that, and the drone thing will probably solve itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erj549 View Post
    Perhaps there are those who feel that perpetual airborne surveillance (and indiscriminate death they deal) in all corners of the globe seems to make the US a lot like the fascist states of history that we are so fond of demonizing. But we're not fascists, right? This is AMERICA!!!! And when we kill innocent bystanders and rape women, we do that in the name of freedom, right?
    You can do the same surveillance with aircraft piloted by people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loona View Post
    "The price tag for the remote control drone war keeps rising," explained Jefferson Morley in his Salon column. "Americans are paying an extra $100 million a month because of the drone war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, according to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta."
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    $100million a month for drones is a hell of a lot cheaper in manpower and material than manned aircraft. But you weren't worried about that, you were just out to drive-by score some easy points.

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    Reminds me of Princess Di and her landmine campaign.
    Except drones and landmines are pretty much as antithetical as you can get...the former does a darn good (ofc imperfect) job of only dispatching bad guys. Landmines kill anyone and everyone who steps on them, decades after whatever conflict had them put down is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mohair_chair View Post
    I am totally for it, but not until the International Treaty to Permanently Ban People Doing Bad Things is passed. Let's focus on that, and the drone thing will probably solve itself.
    I harumph in agreement. "harumph!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_GRUMPY View Post
    "indiscriminate death"

    Hardly...


    Pinpoint death is more like it.

    Would you prefer a few hundred cluster bombs??

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    So 474-881 civilians is "pinpoint"? Good to know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bayAreaDude View Post
    You can do the same surveillance with aircraft piloted by people.
    Not really. The drones can stay on station for extended periods of time and kill targets of opportunity. If one goes down we don't lose a human pilot.

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    I don't like drones. It make war to clean and easy.

    War is hell, it's death, it's blood, it's guts.

    War is terrible, politicans need to see it for what it is. Then maybe, they'll want less of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougclaysmith View Post
    I don't like drones. It make war to clean and easy.

    War is hell, it's death, it's blood, it's guts.

    War is terrible, politicans need to see it for what it is. Then maybe, they'll want less of it.
    War is best when the hell, blood and guts come down on and from the enemy. The idea is not to kill enough of your own troops to disgust politicians but to have as many of yours survive while killing theirs. Drones are a great weapon and no more inhumane than the IED's that are the weapon of choice of our enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougclaysmith View Post
    I don't like drones. It make war to clean and easy.

    War is hell, it's death, it's blood, it's guts.

    War is terrible, politicans need to see it for what it is. Then maybe, they'll want less of it.
    I don't disagree on any of the above.
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