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    Quote Originally Posted by davesupra View Post
    The devil is always in the details. In general, I am skeptical about the meeting with Kim. But I am hopeful.
    Trust but verify - R. Reagan.

    If it can not be measured it can not be managed. P. Drucker

    Without agreeing on a schedule to complete a task, things have a habit of never getting done. A father to a son

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    I might have missed it in all this excitement but has Trump and Kim provided a timeline with measureable performance dates to achieve their summit goals? I am and will remain skeptical until this initial task --- the timeline --- is produced.
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    A few months ago, we have Trump threatening to go to war NK. Now he cannot praise Kim Jong Un enough, to the extent that even the South Koreans are worried about such profuse praises. Betcha the South Koreans are more worried about Trump's leadership than Kim Jong Un now huh. Did Trump consult with Dennis Rodman before this trip?

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    What a farce. Is Trump trying to become a communist dictator by osmosis??

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...or-kim-jong-un

    This is a white house production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    If Obama had met with Kim...there would have been professional diplomats around and policy advisers....and any agreement would have been more than empty promises. Would Obama's White House have been merchandising "commemorative coins" before the summit had even taken place?
    Funny thing is, Trump had a blueprint to use, but he tore that up. Maybe Trump is not interested in imposing limits on the countries formerly known as The Axis of Evil.

    Here is what Obama got out of Iran:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-live.html

    The Telegraph's David Blair explains the main points of the Vienna agreement on Iran's nuclear ambitions:


    • Iran will sacrifice two-thirds of its ability to enrich uranium, the vital process that could be used to make the core of a nuclear bomb. All but 6,000 of Iran’s 19,500 centrifuges will be placed in storage, monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).


    • Iran will export all but 300kg of its entire stockpile of eight tonnes of low-enriched uranium.


    • The combined effect these measures will be to place Iran about 12 months away from having enough weapons-grade uranium for one nuclear bomb – compared with its current “breakout” time of three or four months.


    • The Fordow enrichment plant, which was built in secret inside a hollowed-out mountain, will be converted into a research centre. Almost two-thirds of the centrifuges in Fordow will be removed and the remaining 1,000 will not be used to enrich uranium.


    • Iran’s heavy water plant at Arak will be redesigned and rebuilt to make it impossible to produce weapons-grade plutonium.


    • Iran will implement the “Additional Protocol” safeguards agreement, giving IAEA inspectors more powers to monitor its nuclear plants and other facilities.


    • Once the IAEA has confirmed that Iran has taken these steps, America and its allies will lift all nuclear-related economic sanctions, including oil embargos and financial restrictions. This could release over $100 billion (£65 billion) of frozen Iranian assets.


    • America and its allies will also recognise Iran’s right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes, as guaranteed by the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.


    • Iran will remain subject to a UN arms embargo for five years. Restrictions will stay on its ballistic missile programme for another eight.
    While this may be the first step of continuing endeavors to denuclearize Korea, watch who advises Trump. Obama had nuclear physicist Ernest Moniz as an advisor. Who does Trump have advising him, Bolton?

    Trump is everything that Obama's critics were saying about Obama. America got bubkes from Kim, and Trump's supporters insist this is a good thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ullr View Post
    Funny thing is, Trump had a blueprint to use, but he tore that up. Maybe Trump is not interested in imposing limits on the countries formerly known as The Axis of Evil.

    Here is what Obama got out of Iran:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-live.html



    While this may be the first step of continuing endeavors to denuclearize Korea, watch who advises Trump. Obama had nuclear physicist Ernest Moniz as an advisor. Who does Trump have advising him, Bolton?

    Trump is everything that Obama's critics were saying about Obama. America got bubkes from Kim, and Trump's supporters insist this is a good thing
    Historical note: When Nixon went to China there was similar handwringing. Times Change.

    People should realize, by now, that the Trump Show changes almost daily. It's like he's still working towards that Emmy he never got for the apprentice.

    He keeps his base interested and engaged with a seemingly never ending series of unexpected stunts, promotions, soap opera style feuds and unlikely reunions.

    He keeps Democrats and Liberals Elites constantly on guard and edgy.

    It's a TV show nothing like the West Wing but a lot like The Office.

    Unfortunately, his antics have great effect on some people's lives and unlike the TV, he's hard to turn off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    What are you talking about? He already got NK to disarm. Mission Accomplished!


    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-insulting-and
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blasted a reporter on Wednesday after the journalist asked why the denuclearization of North Korea was not included in an agreement signed between the country's leader, Kim Jong Un, and President Trump.

    The secretary of state said on Wednesday that the U.S. wants quick progress on North Korea's promise to dismantle its nuclear program.

    “We’re hopeful that we can achieve that in, what was it, the next two and a half years, something like that” he said. “We’re hopeful we can get it done. There’s a lot of work left to do."



    I thought Trump took care of the Nuclear Threat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ullr View Post
    Funny thing is, Trump had a blueprint to use, but he tore that up. Maybe Trump is not interested in imposing limits on the countries formerly known as The Axis of Evil.

    Here is what Obama got out of Iran:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...deal-live.html



    While this may be the first step of continuing endeavors to denuclearize Korea, watch who advises Trump. Obama had nuclear physicist Ernest Moniz as an advisor. Who does Trump have advising him, Bolton?

    Trump is everything that Obama's critics were saying about Obama. America got bubkes from Kim, and Trump's supporters insist this is a good thing
    Have you already forgotten?

    Trump's Secretary of Energy is Rick Perry. Remember the guy who wanted to end the Department of Energy in the 2012 campaign? Yup. He's Trump's nuclear weapons and nuclear energy expert.


    It needs noted that Rick Perry's only degree is a Bachelor of Science degree, an Aggie from A&M...in "Animal science" AKA "Animal Husbandry". Said plainly. Rick Perry spent 4 years of his life studying how animals f#ck. He's advising trump on nuclear energy and weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxl View Post
    What are these instances of supposed "left-wing" hypocrisy you think counter those demonstrated by the right (the Hannity clip is a concrete example of that)?

    If you could post a link to one example, that'd be a much better argument than simply claiming "both sides do it," or "that's politics."
    Don't expect anyone to give an example.

    For years the far right screeched whenever Obama contemplated talking to a dictator. They did a 180 when it came to Trump. Few on the left had a big issue with Trump talking with Kim, they focused on facts of his stunt. Facts are now called Strawman.

    Try to nail Trump, and his loyal followers down on facts is like trying to nail jello to the wall. Here is an exchange Pompeo had with a reporter who asked the question most reasonable people are asking

    Reporter: “The president said it will be verified.”

    Pompeo: “Of course it will.”

    Q: "Can you tell us a little bit more about--what is, what discussed about how?"

    Pompeo: “Just so you know, you could ask me this, I find that question insulting & ridiculous & frankly ludicrous.”

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    The Deplorable media now says criticizing Kim Jong Un amounts to criticizing Trump

    Rubio states the obvious




    Fox pushes him on it. Rubio does not back down

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    While Trump, and his loyal followers, spike the ball and do a victory dance realists are remind that North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016.


    https://www.wired.com/story/north-ko...arize-history/

    I hope it is different this time but to celebrate so early seems naive

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    There is always a tweet....always



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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    While Trump, and his loyal followers, spike the ball and do a victory dance realists are remind that North Korea previously pledged denuclearization in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2016.


    https://www.wired.com/story/north-ko...arize-history/

    I hope it is different this time but to celebrate so early seems naive
    In fairness...The Donald's supporters have the memory-spans of goldfish. And what is more, they genuinely don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
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    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo blasted a reporter on Wednesday after the journalist asked why the denuclearization of North Korea was not included in an agreement signed between the country's leader, Kim Jong Un, and President Trump.

    The secretary of state said on Wednesday that the U.S. wants quick progress on North Korea's promise to dismantle its nuclear program.

    “We’re hopeful that we can achieve that in, what was it, the next two and a half years, something like that” he said. “We’re hopeful we can get it done. There’s a lot of work left to do."



    I thought Trump took care of the Nuclear Threat?
    He did. Signed an agreement with Kim. We saw it. No more nuclear threat.

    They may have nukes piled up somewhere, but won't use them during the negotiations period, for those who have doubts. It would be very uncool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    He did. Signed an agreement with Kim. We saw it. No more nuclear threat.

    They may have nukes piled up somewhere, but won't use them during the negotiations period, for those who have doubts. It would be very uncool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    That's what I like, intelligent responses. Go for it, bro! Sock it to 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    That's what I like, intelligent responses. Go for it, bro! Sock it to 'em.

    You post laughable nonsense...you get it back.

    You obviously aren't serious...and you've shown, repeatedly, you're not interested in history or reality, or even learning anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    No more nuclear threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    He did. Signed an agreement with Kim. We saw it. No more nuclear threat.

    They may have nukes piled up somewhere, but won't use them during the negotiations period, for those who have doubts. It would be very uncool.
    So the "agreement " is about 10000% worse than the Iran deal. No enforcement. No inspections. Just the "word " of two of the most famous liars on earth.

    There's a sucker born every second.

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    From this , I got the sense of a second rate Neville Chamberlain act. Next nuclear test in about 3-4 months.

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    The President of the United States does saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people.



    Put down your arm fat boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    The President of the United States does saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people.



    Put down your arm fat boy.
    Wow!.... just... wow!

    Kneeling at a football game = Un-Patriotic
    Saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people = Patriotic

    When to Salute
    The salute is an exchange of greetings, with the junior member always saluting first.

    Trump is subordinating to an Officer of a hostile enemy. Let that soak in.
    Cue the apologists.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Wow!.... just... wow!

    Kneeling at a football game = Un-Patriotic
    Saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people = Patriotic

    When to Salute
    The salute is an exchange of greetings, with the junior member always saluting first.

    Trump is subordinating to an Officer of a hostile enemy. Let that soak in.
    Cue the apologists.....

    How is Trump supposed to know all that? I mean it isn't like his Chief of Staff was a multi-star general or anything...It isn't like Trump actually served in the military either.

    #liberaltears!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    How is Trump supposed to know all that?
    Yea I know.... guess it was asking too much that he spent maybe 1 extra day learning etiquette and protocol.

    “I think I’m very well prepared,” Trump said. “I don’t think I have to prepare very much. It’s about the attitude.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    The President of the United States does saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people.
    GOP voters and most of the non-commission members of the military will still vote for Trump.

    Case in point - Tuesday primary voted in South Carolina and Virginia supporting Trump-backed candidates.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    The President of the United States does saluting an Officer of a hostile enemy, known for brutally slaughtering their own people.



    Put down your arm fat boy.
    is there is video on this, I know people love to promote fake news but it looks like the office has dropped his salute and is now reaching to shake Presidents Trumps hand. A video would tell the truth
    If you don't follow the liberal flock, you are called a troll.

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