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    Knew it would happen: Ebola Quarantine versus FREEDOM!!!!

    I knew a legal battle would happen:

    Lawyer: Nurse Kaci Hickox won't obey Ebola quarantine - CNN.com

    Apparently "better safe than sorry"...is now the subject of legal review. Thoughts? Yea the nurse tested negative, but why risk it when idiots have already been infected and gone about their lives potentially exposing others?...especially given the complainant is health professional who should know better than the rest of us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    but why risk it when idiots have already been infected and gone about their lives potentially exposing others?...especially given the complainant is health professional who should know better than the rest of us?
    Maybe because health professionals don't think quarantine is helpful or necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    Maybe because health professionals don't think quarantine is helpful or necessary?
    Maybe they should review how Ebola even got into the USA in the first place...by someone being an overconfident idiot and going about his business thinking it wouldn't happen to him.
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    Knew it would happen: Ebola Quarantine versus FREEDOM!!!!

    Arrest the biatch.. She just thinks she's above it all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Maybe they should review how Ebola even got into the USA in the first place...by someone being an overconfident idiot and going about his business thinking it wouldn't happen to him.
    Let's quarantine everyone with the flu as well. It kills hundreds of times as many people and is far more contagious.

    A quarantine wouldn't have prevented the disease from spreading to healthcare workers, and there's yet to be any evidence it has spread to anyone else.
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    You're infinitely more likely to be killed in a car crash.
    The government should quarantine everyone in their homes tomorrow. Why risk driving? Idiot drives go about their lives exposing others to fatalities every day.
    We could prevent ~90 people from dying tomorrow. In fact, no one should be allowed to drive. This would save over 30,000 lives per year.

    We live in a free nation. At what point does that get sacrificed to protect people?
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    Odds of dying from Ebola in the USA --- 310,000,000 to one

    Odds of dying by a gun in the USA --- 28,000 to one

    Now what exactly should the government and governors be imposing a quarantine on?
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.

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    Natural and logical consequences.

    It's very nice that American health workers want to visit west Africa and help out with the Ebola epicdemic or other humanitarian efforts. That's great, and most of us applaud such effort. However, they and we at home understand that the health workers have exposed themselves to potential infection to a deadly virus, protocols notwithstanding, given that health workers have become infected despite employing the protocol.

    Therefore it's entirely logical that when the health workers return to the US that we might be more nervous than if they had been treating influenza (vastly fewer mortalities as a % of infections) or AIDS (we don't plan on having sex with them). So it's logical to want to exercise the precautionary principle and ask them to isolate themselves from the rest of us for the Ebola incubation period as part of the added cost of that type of humanitarian effort.

    What? She wants a parade and to mingle with us immediately upon her return to the US? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I knew a legal battle would happen:

    Lawyer: Nurse Kaci Hickox won't obey Ebola quarantine - CNN.com

    Apparently "better safe than sorry"...is now the subject of legal review. Thoughts? Yea the nurse tested negative, but why risk it when idiots have already been infected and gone about their lives potentially exposing others?...especially given the complainant is health professional who should know better than the rest of us?
    apparently she does know better than "you" (as in "us"). For one thing how ebola works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    You're infinitely more likely to be killed in a car crash.
    The government should quarantine everyone in their homes tomorrow. Why risk driving? Idiot drives go about their lives exposing others to fatalities every day.
    We could prevent ~90 people from dying tomorrow. In fact, no one should be allowed to drive. This would save over 30,000 lives per year.

    We live in a free nation. At what point does that get sacrificed to protect people?
    But every time you drive a car you don't have a 70% mortality risk or those that you might bump into have a 70% mortality risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by den bakker View Post
    apparently she does know better than "you" (as in "us"). For one thing how ebola works.
    She probably also knows:

    1. The first known human case of Ebola was in 1976 - 38 years ago.

    2. During those 38 years, 1000s of healthcare workers have traveled from areas of Ebola outbreaks and treating the sick then traveled to the USA while utilizing only voluntary means of avoiding spreading the disease.

    3. In 38 years there has never been even a single case of Ebola caused in the USA by any of those 1000s of self-monitored healthcare workers'. Note this includes 2014.

    Guess we should government by fear + polls and not by facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve98501 View Post
    Natural and logical consequences.

    It's very nice that American health workers want to visit west Africa and help out with the Ebola epicdemic or other humanitarian efforts. That's great, and most of us applaud such effort. However, they and we at home understand that the health workers have exposed themselves to potential infection to a deadly virus, protocols notwithstanding, given that health workers have become infected despite employing the protocol.

    Therefore it's entirely logical that when the health workers return to the US that we might be more nervous than if they had been treating influenza (vastly fewer mortalities as a % of infections) or AIDS (we don't plan on having sex with them). So it's logical to want to exercise the precautionary principle and ask them to isolate themselves from the rest of us for the Ebola incubation period as part of the added cost of that type of humanitarian effort.

    What? She wants a parade and to mingle with us immediately upon her return to the US? No.
    and as opposed to the flu she won't give anyone anything if she has no symptoms of the disease.
    For fck sake, this has been headline news for over a month and people at still clueless like a doped up valley girl about it?

    for those with short attention span; sentence two might be of interest.
    "The incubation period, that is, the time interval from infection with the virus to onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days. Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, symptoms of impaired kidney and liver function, and in some cases, both internal and external bleeding (e.g. oozing from the gums, blood in the stools). Laboratory findings include low white blood cell and platelet counts and elevated liver enzymes. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve98501 View Post
    So it's logical to want to exercise the precautionary principle and ask them to isolate themselves from the rest of us for the Ebola incubation period as part of the added cost of that type of humanitarian effort.
    Then it's logical to quarantine people with the flu as that kills thousands of people every year. Why aren't we doing that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve98501 View Post
    Natural and logical consequences.

    It's very nice that American health workers want to visit west Africa and help out with the Ebola epicdemic or other humanitarian efforts. That's great, and most of us applaud such effort. However, they and we at home understand that the health workers have exposed themselves to potential infection to a deadly virus, protocols notwithstanding, given that health workers have become infected despite employing the protocol.

    Therefore it's entirely logical that when the health workers return to the US that we might be more nervous than if they had been treating influenza (vastly fewer mortalities as a % of infections) or AIDS (we don't plan on having sex with them). So it's logical to want to exercise the precautionary principle and ask them to isolate themselves from the rest of us for the Ebola incubation period as part of the added cost of that type of humanitarian effort.

    What? She wants a parade and to mingle with us immediately upon her return to the US? No.
    Agreed - the mortality rate from ebola in Africa is ~ 70%. Fortunately treatment in the US has not lost anyone except for Eric Duncan. But the illness if contracted is very dangerous and (maybe this is actually understood ??) what if the virus (like chicken pox) remains in the system ready to pop out sometime in the future (like shingles) ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Then it's logical to quarantine people with the flu as that kills thousands of people every year. Why aren't we doing that?
    The mortality rate is very much smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM999 View Post
    But every time you drive a car you don't have a 70% mortality risk or those that you might bump into have a 70% mortality risk.
    Really... bumping into someone with ebola causes 70% of them to die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Really... bumping into someone with ebola causes 70% of them to die?
    I was being metaphorically polite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM999 View Post
    The mortality rate is very much smaller.
    And it's a lot more contagious- much higher potential to infect someone. The worst epidemic in U.S. history (killed most people) was in fact the flu.

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    Knew it would happen: Ebola Quarantine versus FREEDOM!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Odds of dying from Ebola in the USA --- 310,000,000 to one

    Odds of dying by a gun in the USA --- 28,000 to one

    Now what exactly should the government and governors be imposing a quarantine on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    Let's quarantine everyone with the flu as well. It kills hundreds of times as many people and is far more contagious.

    A quarantine wouldn't have prevented the disease from spreading to healthcare workers, and there's yet to be any evidence it has spread to anyone else.
    Okay, what is the mortality rate for the flu? What is the mortality rate for Ebola?

    15 minutes ago I got my flu shot, when can I get an Ebola shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue CheeseHead View Post
    Okay, what is the mortality rate for the flu? What is the mortality rate for Ebola?

    15 minutes ago I got my flu shot, when can I get an Ebola shot?
    it's the product of mortality rate and risk of getting it that matters.
    essentially zero time 70% is essentially zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Odds of dying from Ebola in the USA --- 310,000,000 to one

    Odds of dying by a gun in the USA --- 28,000 to one

    Now what exactly should the government and governors be imposing a quarantine on?
    Run your stats machine on this:

    1.) # of Ebola deaths per case of Ebola
    2.) # of gun deaths per gun

    Guns don't look so bad now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealric View Post
    And it's a lot more contagious- much higher potential to infect someone. The worst epidemic in U.S. history (killed most people) was in fact the flu.
    That was ~100 years ago (1918) and we did quarantine immigrants coming into the country on Ellis Island. Various permutations of influenza appear regularly. During the SARS situation of 2003 isolation of those with symptoms was employed but quarantine was not. SARS is more contagious but not as deadly. Usually it is those with compromized health who are most at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue CheeseHead View Post
    Okay, what is the mortality rate for the flu? What is the mortality rate for Ebola?

    15 minutes ago I got my flu shot, when can I get an Ebola shot?
    It's lower, but the flu is extremely contagious. Ebola is not. Which is worse? One person out of a hundred million getting a disease with a 70% fatality rate or one person in a thousand getting a disease with a 1% fatality rate? I would be a lot more afraid of the latter disease.

    Plain and simple, the people who are getting up in arms about Ebola are using emotion rather than reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by den bakker View Post
    it's the product of mortality rate and risk of getting it that matters.
    essentially zero time 70% is essentially zero.
    Your chance to get it is only essentially zero if you are not exposed to it. How does one minimize exposure? Hmmm. Maybe you keep those likely to be infected away from the general population. Maybe that's why when Ebola patients are in hospitals they are isolated from the general population.

    Yes, it's highly unlikely to get it right now because there are few carriers here. Let's keep it that way.

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