• 04-13-2010
    physasst
    Mid Terms and the Tea Party....
    Could benefit the democrats....sorta like the green party movement benefitted the republicans in the past.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=ClIlZU1T77G

    According to the poll, Americans say they'll vote for a Republican over a Democrat in the November elections by a 44 to 39 percent margin.
    But the addition of a Tea Party candidate to the ballot changes the dynamic: The Republican candidate drops dramatically to 25 percent and the Democrat only slightly to 36 percent, while 15 percent would back the Tea Party candidate.


    More recent polling suggests that democrats have gained ground as well...

    This poll, just completed suggests 50% of registered voters will vote democrat, 46% republican. with 4% claiming neither.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...4/13/rel7d.pdf

    Interesting data....
  • 04-13-2010
    jupiterrn
    CNN = unbiased left as to Foxnews = unbiased right
  • 04-13-2010
    rocco
    We'll see.
  • 04-13-2010
    BadHabit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jupiterrn
    CNN = unbiased left as to Foxnews = unbiased right


    It's time for CNN to stop "breaking it down" and start "putting it together."

    There aren't two sides to every story--not worth listening to, anyway.
  • 04-13-2010
    BadHabit
    Clinton's doing great!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by physasst

    Interesting data....


    Clinton's doing great!
  • 04-13-2010
    JoeDaddio
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jupiterrn
    CNN = unbiased left as to Foxnews = unbiased right


    that's why they hired Erickson.

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    joe
  • 04-13-2010
    PeanutButterBreath
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jupiterrn
    CNN = unbiased left as to Foxnews = unbiased right

    Nah. CNN = Fox = garbage.

    (JoeDaddio has the video)
  • 04-13-2010
    jupiterrn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PeanutButterBreath
    Nah. CNN = Fox = garbage.

    Yup I agree with you.
  • 04-13-2010
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jupiterrn
    CNN = unbiased left as to Foxnews = unbiased right

    Nah.

    CNN = corporate/lame 'journalism lite'

    Faux = unabashed GOP propaganda


    / if we're defining exactly why they're garbage
    .
  • 04-13-2010
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by physasst
    Could benefit the democrats....sorta like the green party movement benefitted the republicans in the past.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=ClIlZU1T77G

    According to the poll, Americans say they'll vote for a Republican over a Democrat in the November elections by a 44 to 39 percent margin.
    But the addition of a Tea Party candidate to the ballot changes the dynamic: The Republican candidate drops dramatically to 25 percent and the Democrat only slightly to 36 percent, while 15 percent would back the Tea Party candidate.


    More recent polling suggests that democrats have gained ground as well...

    This poll, just completed suggests 50% of registered voters will vote democrat, 46% republican. with 4% claiming neither.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...4/13/rel7d.pdf

    Interesting data....

    It's interesting and possibly relevant if we assume that a great many Teabagger candidates are going to appear in general elections as third-party candidates.

    However, I'd assume that even 'baggers are capable of reading poll data, and would be unlikely, in many cases, to run and then hand victories to Democrats. Not to say there aren't a few very stubborn 'bagger candidates out there who'll run no matter what.

    I'd think though, that in the majority of cases, the Teabaggers would exert their political influence via the GOP primaries, by making sure the most extreme GOP candidate won and went to the general. And of course by turning out for the general, but as the 'baggers numbers are actually not that large, their influence would be less there.

    So, this could be a good thing for the Dems in that the extremist GOP candidates would presumably have less appeal with independents and may even alienate some moderate Repubs, who might cross over and vote Dem, assuming the Dem candidates fielded were appropriate. If I was selecting Dem candidates, I'd definitely do so with an eye towards Indy and moderate Repub-appeal.

    It's going to be an interesting chess match. The fun part is indeed going to be the GOP primaries, where even moderate GOP candidates are going to fall all over themselves trying to gain 'teabagger cred'. Some have done so already, in fact, with varying degrees of embarrassing 'bagger-pandering.
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  • 04-13-2010
    BadHabit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SystemShock
    'bagger-pandering.

    Bit of a mouthful. Heh.

    Panderbagger

    BINO
  • 04-13-2010
    Creakyknees
    Nice theory but not realistic. For starters, filing dates for the primaries have already passed in a lot of districts. So, are they going to mount a write-in campaign?

    Most of the 'baggers I know are more likely to hold their nose and vote R.
  • 04-13-2010
    jupiterrn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Creakyknees
    Most of the 'baggers I know are more likely to hold their nose and vote R.

    /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ this.
  • 04-13-2010
    PeanutButterBreath
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Creakyknees
    Most of the 'baggers I know are more likely to hold their nose and vote R.

    Most 'baggers in general are Republican dead-enders running in circles trying to get away from the fact that their politics have failed them
  • 04-13-2010
    Fredke
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SystemShock
    However, I'd assume that even 'baggers are capable of reading poll data, and would be unlikely, in many cases, to run and then hand victories to Democrats. Not to say there aren't a few very stubborn 'bagger candidates out there who'll run no matter what.

    In at least a few important races, Tea Party candidates are saying that they'd rather a Democrat wins than a moderate Republican because although that would be a temporary setback, it would advance the conservative cause in the long run.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012302951.html
    By all rights, Tom Perriello should have almost no chance to win reelection to Congress. He's a stimulus-backing, health-care-reform-loving, cap-and-trade-supporting liberal Democrat who represents a conservative central Virginia district where antipathy to the president and all things Washington runs high.

    Perhaps too high. Perriello's opponents are so divided about who is the best conservative to replace him that they are transforming what should be a gimme for Republicans into a national emblem of GOP strife, potentially setting up a replay of the special election in Upstate New York in November that handed the Democrats a seat in a region they hadn't represented in more than 100 years.
    ...
    Republican leaders ... are backing a moderate state lawmaker, Sen. Robert Hurt, whose record enrages many conservatives, including a disparate band of Tea Party activists. To them, Hurt is not a real conservative ... and they're promising a third-party challenge if he wins the nomination.

    "We want a conservative, not a situational Republican ... I really believe the 5th District congressional election is about the soul of American politics."
    ...
    "If Robert Hurt wins, then we have an ideologically inconsistent congressman for a couple of decades," said Bradley S. Rees, a conservative blogger and talk-radio host in Bedford. "I would rather we had an ideologically consistent Democrat who we can hammer on their records. We'll get Perriello in 2012 -- with a stronger, more consistent candidate."
  • 04-13-2010
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PeanutButterBreath
    Most 'baggers in general are Republican dead-enders running in circles trying to get away from the fact that their politics have failed them

    ^ this.
    .
  • 04-13-2010
    SystemShock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fredke
    In at least a few important races, Tea Party candidates are saying that they'd rather a Democrat wins than a moderate Republican because although that would be a temporary setback, it would advance the conservative cause in the long run.

    ..."If Robert Hurt wins, then we have an ideologically inconsistent congressman for a couple of decades," said Bradley S. Rees, a conservative blogger and talk-radio host in Bedford. "I would rather we had an ideologically consistent Democrat who we can hammer on their records. We'll get Perriello in 2012 -- with a stronger, more consistent candidate."

    While the 'bagger bloggers might be exhorting 'bagger candidates to run in the general and bork moderate GOPers, well, that's the 'bagger bloggers talking.

    But is the rank-and-file, who I think of as Republicans-in-exile in many cases, fully behind that strategy... especially if it means more Dems getting in? :idea:

    I think a lot of different things are going to happen depending on the district/local situation, but overall, I think the Teabaggers will do most of their borking of moderate Repub candidates in the primaries, not the general.

    Not that I wouldn't want to see the latter happen. For me, the more extremist the Repubs get, the better. That drives away moderates and independents, and pretty much turns the GOP into a regional party, not a national one.
    .