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    I'm floored that the American President is pledging to punish "The people of Canada" while at the same time he is calling a the dictator running Korea "very talented," "very smart" and "a great personality" who "loves his people."

    ...and I'm doubly-floored that there are Canadian posters here that support Trump and are fine with him saying these things.

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    Yeah, Trump is sure some dealmaker:

    "Kim Jong Un couldn't have scripted his Singapore sojourn any better himself. As he toured the streets on a night-time walkabout and posed for selfies with the Singaporean foreign minister, he was treated more like a rock star than a pariah autocrat."

    "But the real reward was five hours with US President Donald Trump on Tuesday, when the two leaders signed a document that essentially reiterated promises North Korea has already made, extracted no new or concrete concessions to demonstrate Pyongyang was committed to denuclearization, and further, spoke of "security assurances" the dictator had long sought from the United States."

    In other words, Kim Jong Un got what he wanted, and Trump got nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeBean2 View Post
    In other words, Kim Jong Un got what he wanted, and Trump got nothing.
    Not true. Trump got this. That's all he needed/wanted.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeBean2 View Post
    Yeah, Trump is sure some dealmaker:

    "Kim Jong Un couldn't have scripted his Singapore sojourn any better himself. As he toured the streets on a night-time walkabout and posed for selfies with the Singaporean foreign minister, he was treated more like a rock star than a pariah autocrat."

    "But the real reward was five hours with US President Donald Trump on Tuesday, when the two leaders signed a document that essentially reiterated promises North Korea has already made, extracted no new or concrete concessions to demonstrate Pyongyang was committed to denuclearization, and further, spoke of "security assurances" the dictator had long sought from the United States."

    In other words, Kim Jong Un got what he wanted, and Trump got nothing.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/asia/...ntl/index.html
    America got nothing. If you consider that Putin is the real party in interest, Putin got everything he wanted as well. Trump is just the proxy for Putin.

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    Check out how Putin advised Trump to end military exercises with South Korea as reported in January by the WSJ (owned by Murdoch).

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/talking-to-trump-a-how-to-guide-1516303402

    Around the same time, Mr. Trump had an idea about how to counter the nuclear threat posed by North Korea, which he got after speaking to Russian President Vladimir Putin : If the U.S. stopped joint military exercises with the South Koreans, it could help moderate Kim Jong Un’s behavior.
    Go on call it fake news. Anyone?

    And anyone care to explain again how Trump is not owned by Putin?

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    If Iran pinky swore to stop nuke testing and developement in exchange for the US halting military training with Isreal, and Trump said ok, how do we think that would go over?

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    Oh my. Closer to a reality.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/13/norweg...l-peace-prize/

    President Trump has been nominated by two Norwegian lawmakers for the Nobel Peace Prize following his summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un, according to a report Wednesday.
    Not that I think he would get it but not because of what he's done but who he is. It just wouldn't be politically correct unlike Obama who did NOTHING, but got one anyways for doing ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    Oh my. Closer to a reality.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/13/norweg...l-peace-prize/



    Not that I think he would get it but not because of what he's done but who he is. It just wouldn't be politically correct unlike Obama who did NOTHING, but got one anyways for doing ???
    A right-wing loon populist party that emphasizes christians values, wants to cut taxes, and privatize government....small wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    A right-wing loon populist party that emphasizes christians values, wants to cut taxes, and privatize government....small wonder.
    So in your opinion is it more important to be awarded a Nobel prize based on WHO you are rather than WHAT you have accomplished?

    I don't believe a lot of what newspapers write about somebody. The Guardian is writing that the new Ontario Premier is right wing, but he's actually more centre. We don't have any right wing parties in Canada. Unless anything right of the alt left is right wing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    Oh my. Closer to a reality.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/13/norweg...l-peace-prize/



    Not that I think he would get it but not because of what he's done but who he is. It just wouldn't be politically correct unlike Obama who did NOTHING, but got one anyways for doing ???

    Do you know who these guys are? They are racist, Islamophobic, wackos. They equated Muslim dress with Nazi Uniforms and the KKK. One also nominated Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the Noble prize. She has spent a lot of her life spewing anti-Muslim hatred. They both have spewed white supremacist nonsense for years.

    It is no surprise that a couple of racist deplorables like that would be attracted to Trump. It is pure fantasy to think the Nobel committee would listen to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Do you know who these guys are? They are racist, Islamophobic, wackos. They equated Muslim dress with Nazi Uniforms and the KKK. One also nominated Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the Noble prize. She has spent a lot of her life spewing anti-Muslim hatred. They both have spewed white supremacist nonsense for years.

    It is no surprise that a couple of racist deplorables like that would be attracted to Trump. It is pure fantasy to think the Nobel committee would listen to them
    Some people don't mind Nazis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feh View Post
    Some people don't mind Nazis.
    both sides!
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    So in your opinion is it more important to be awarded a Nobel prize based on WHO you are rather than WHAT you have accomplished?
    And what exactly has The Donald actually accomplished?...other than a trade-war with China, and a trade war with Canada, and a trade war with Germany, and set back global warming efforts a decade, set back Iranian efforts to denuclearize.... The last 15 or DPRK's agreements to denuclearize in 30 years with actual details in actual writing...DPRK has torn up in short order. The only thing different this time, is a Kim was actually present and talked. Seems like you're the one who think WHO rather than WHAT should get you a Nobel, not me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ullr View Post
    Check out how Putin advised Trump to end military exercises with South Korea as reported in January by the WSJ (owned by Murdoch).

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/talking-to-trump-a-how-to-guide-1516303402



    Go on call it fake news. Anyone?

    And anyone care to explain again how Trump is not owned by Putin?
    The issue of military exercises off the peninsula has been on the table since at least the Clinton administration. Nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    The issue of military exercises off the peninsula has been on the table since at least the Clinton administration. Nice try.
    And now they're off the table with zilch in exchange. Horrible negotiation.

    Bad try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    And now they're off the table with zilch in exchange. Horrible negotiation.

    Bad try.
    Totally different climate this time around. Young NK leader wanting to do right and get international respect. SK on board big time, unprecedented. The will is there for some kind of "reunification" inspired by the Reagan-Gorbachev negotiations, in Ronnie's case, declaring the US will stay out of Soviet disssolution and let them handle it, with stunning results. SK citizens are very optimitstic for the first time ever. The ball is rolling. None of the players want to stop it. This is a new golden opportunity to solve a long standing problem. Strategically, the US has nothing to worry about. Got that, comrades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Totally different climate this time around. Young NK leader wanting to do right and get international respect. SK on board big time, unprecedented. The will is there for some kind of "reunification" inspired by the Reagan-Gorbachev negotiations, in Ronnie's case, declaring the US will stay out of Soviet disssolution and let them handle it, with stunning results. SK citizens are very optimitstic for the first time ever. The ball is rolling. None of the players want to stop it. This is a new golden opportunity to solve a long standing problem. Strategically, the US has nothing to worry about. Got that, comrades?

    Oh we got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredrico View Post
    Totally different climate this time around. Young NK leader wanting to do right and get international respect. SK on board big time, unprecedented. The will is there for some kind of "reunification" inspired by the Reagan-Gorbachev negotiations, in Ronnie's case, declaring the US will stay out of Soviet disssolution and let them handle it, with stunning results. SK citizens are very optimitstic for the first time ever. The ball is rolling. None of the players want to stop it. This is a new golden opportunity to solve a long standing problem. Strategically, the US has nothing to worry about. Got that, comrades?
    No idea where you make up your lala land walls of text. Pure made up nonsense.
    FYI... South Korea is pi$$ed about getting stabed in the back over the military exercises.

    Another bad try. Being a Trump apologist is getting impossible. You need to up your game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Oh we got it.

    Drunk posting is not advisable unless your handle starts with "Old" and ends with "EdScott"
    I use the term generously!

    Hey man, if you think what I said above drunk talk, we're in big trouble!
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    It doesn't appear that the South Koreans are dancing in the streets over this:

    [Editorial] A new Kim?

    "One thing that went wrong is Trump’s bombshell statement that the US will be stopping South Korea-US joint military exercises, citing its provocativeness and the “tremendous expense” spent by the US military. That is further evidence that Trump is prioritizing his notorious “America First” policy even when working with a close ally on such a crucial security issue. "
    ....
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    The world will get to know whether he is sincere about his commitment to change through follow-up denuclearization talks. The changes, of course, should include real improvements in inter-Korean relations and the North’s human rights conditions."

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180612000730

    "For Moon to perform the role well, it is important to uphold a solid Korea-US alliance. The alliance is the basis of South Korea’s diplomacy and security. At its core are the US forces stationed in Korea. They have been a balancing force on the South Korean side in East Asia, where China and Russia seek to expand their influences. This security environment will not change even after the North gives up its nukes. Trump’s remarks in the news conference that he will stop the “war games,” or military exercises, with the South are worrisome.

    Kim’s denuclearization commitment will be tested by the concrete actions he takes.

    Pyongyang must declare its nuclear capability frankly, accept inspections of both declared and undeclared sites readily and disable its nuclear technology irretrievably.

    If the North starts to fulfill its denuclearization pledge, the US must not be stingy in taking steps to assure its regime security.

    However, the US and international community should not act rashly regarding the lifting of sanctions. Sanctions are the leverage to prod Pyongyang to take quick actions to dismantle its arsenal of nuclear weapons. Their impetuous lifting could let out the steam of denuclearizing momentum. Particularly, a back door for illicit trade must not be opened."

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180607000328

    "South Korea should also be ready for such discussions in the future, but a declaration of the end of the Korean War itself -- a symbolic event at best -- should not be an occasion to discuss or make a decision that could affect the status of the US forces in South Korea."

    "The North is apparently using the issue of US troops in South Korea as a bargaining chip, as seen by its continuing denunciations of joint South Korea-US military exercises. And Trump is bent on making the Singapore summit a big political show for him. There are ample reasons to worry about a possible bad decision."

    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/editorial/2018/06/14/43/1600000000AEN20180614001100320F.html

    "'Giving away too much'
    Trump hit for halting joint military drills with Seoul

    U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un took a significant first step toward starting a peace process during their historic summit in Singapore, Tuesday. It is meaningful that they committed to establishing a new relationship between their countries and building a lasting peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
    Despite such an agreement, President Trump has invited criticism for giving away too much to Kim, while getting little in return. At stake is how to denuclearize the North. Before the summit, Trump and his negotiators called for "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization" (CVID). But in the joint statement, Trump and Kim agreed only on the "complete" denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
    It is disappointing to see "verifiable" and "irreversible" missing from the statement. No one can easily understand why Trump came to make such a concession. Of course, Kim and his officials must have strongly opposed the U.S. demand for CVID. But the CVID formula should not have been compromised under any circumstances.
    Without holding fast to the formula, Trump has promised to provide security guarantees to North Korea. Kim only reaffirmed his "firm" and "unwavering" commitment to complete denuclearization of the peninsula. It was nothing new from the Panmunjeom Declaration issued by Kim and President Moon Jae-in during their inter-Korean summit at the truce village April 27. The declaration also used the same expression as far as denuclearization was concerned.
    The absence of CVID is a step backward from previous nuclear accords, including the Sept. 19, 2005, agreement that called for the North to denuclearize verifiably and irreversibly. In this sense, the Singapore statement is long on symbolism, but short on concrete action. It raises worries that Washington and Pyongyang may face a long, difficult process of realizing full denuclearization.
    What's more serious is Trump's announcement to suspend joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises. The suspension is apparently aimed at appeasing the North, which sees such drills as a grave threat to its security. Trump might argue it is necessary to halt the drills as part of his promise to provide security guarantees for the Kim regime. But he needs to realize his abrupt announcement caught South Korea off guard.
    It is shocking to find that Trump used the term "war games" instead of "military exercises" and described them as "very provocative." He did not hesitate to say that Washington will save a tremendous amount of money. He seemed not to care about South Korea's national security or its alliance with the U.S.
    Trump's move might undermine the traditional Seoul-Washington alliance. In follow-up talks with America, the North may ask for the withdrawal of U.S. troops or the removal of its strategic assets, including the nuclear umbrella, from the South.
    The goal of the talks is to dismantle the North's nuclear weapons in a complete, verifiable and irreversible manner. It is also to implement the peace process on the peninsula. It should not be to hurt the alliance. That's why Trump must work more closely with Moon to achieve this shared goal.
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    Kind of laughable, when you think about it.

    A 4th rate dictatorship that can't feed it's own people because it has spent all it's money on developing a nuclear weapon that may for may not fit on a rocket that may or may not be accurate enough to hit anything.

    Front page news for months because the PT Barnum of US Presidents has created a boogeyman, then elevated the boogeyman to equal status and kowtowing to the boogeyman as if the boogeyman had the number 1 economy and the number 1 military in the world.

    And the media carries on about preventing nuclear war, after all, things like this must be blown out of proportion or who would pay attention? Then nuclear war is averted because the boogeyman smiles and shakes hands.

    This is not the US v Soviet Union over missiles in Cuba or the US v Iraq over Kuwait.

    And now it sounds like we have guaranteed N Korea's security. Suppose China decides it wants to take over N Korea's government. Will we fight China to keep Kim in power?

    Nonsense and more nonsense while our allies get dumped on. I guess dumping on our allies is the only way to turn that relationship into a reality show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by den bakker View Post
    both sides!
    We save a fortune by not doing war games, as long as we are negotiating in good faith - which both sides are!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Do you know who these guys are? They are racist, Islamophobic, wackos. They equated Muslim dress with Nazi Uniforms and the KKK. One also nominated Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the Noble prize. She has spent a lot of her life spewing anti-Muslim hatred. They both have spewed white supremacist nonsense for years.

    It is no surprise that a couple of racist deplorables like that would be attracted to Trump. It is pure fantasy to think the Nobel committee would listen to them
    Wow so much hate and anger in that post.

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    The Progress Party (Bokmål: Fremskrittspartiet, Nynorsk: Framstegspartiet, commonly abbreviated as FrP) is a political party in Norway. It is the country's third largest political party, and a part of the centre-right government coalition.[14] The current leader of the party is Siv Jensen, who has served as Norway's Minister of Finance since 2013.

    It self-identifies as a libertarian party, and values individual freedom, lower taxes, and limited government.[15] The party supports market liberalism, law and order, and advocates downsizing bureaucracy and the public sector. It advocates increased spending of Norway's Oil Fund on investments in infrastructure, and rejects the Norwegian budgetary rule that sets a limit on such spending.[5][16] The party also seeks a more restrictive immigration policy and improved integration. In foreign policy it is Atlanticist and pro-globalization. The party has officially opposed Norwegian membership in the European Union since 2016, after having been neutral on the issue before.[17]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    And what exactly has The Donald actually accomplished?...other than a trade-war with China, and a trade war with Canada, and a trade war with Germany, and set back global warming efforts a decade, set back Iranian efforts to denuclearize.... The last 15 or DPRK's agreements to denuclearize in 30 years with actual details in actual writing...DPRK has torn up in short order. The only thing different this time, is a Kim was actually present and talked. Seems like you're the one who think WHO rather than WHAT should get you a Nobel, not me.


    Being Nobel-nominated by Nazis doesn't bother you, then.
    If Canada is going to send in a group of negotiators that are demanding gender equality terms in a free trade agreement and will not recognize who they are negotiating with (rather who they would like to be negotiating with) then they are bound to fail. We need this more than US needs it because Trump has the power to draw the auto industry back to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by love4himies View Post
    Wow so much hate and anger in that post.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_Party_(Norway)
    some quotes from them:
    " «Et samfunn uten etniske minoriteter er et samfunn i harmoni.» "

    " «Forskjellige raser, religioner og kulturer må ikke blandes hvis vi skal ha et harmonisk samfunn i Norge.» "


    " «Frp kan og vil ikke samarbeide med partier som aksepterer kriminelle gjenger og enkeltindivider fra Afrika og ellers andre synlige innvandrere.»

    Han utdyper deretter til VG:

    «Med synlige innvandrere mener jeg altså... Det har ingenting med afrikanere å gjøre, men jeg har ennå ikke sett en hvit afrikaner.»
    "
    https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa-brevet

    (im sure you can google translate it just fine).
    Blows your hair back.

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