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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post

    I am fortunate that all my close family members are liberals. So when we get together, it's preaching to the choir.
    Most of my friends and family are center-right and have mostly voted Republican over the years. The vast majority all hate Trump and did not vote for him.

    One friend is an evangelical Trump supporter. After he spewed racist, Islamophobic, nonsense and said Covid was invented in a Chinese lab I stopped talking to him.

    My mother in law is in the Trump cult. She literally thinks Trump was sent here by God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcb View Post
    However, there are also a lot of people who have fallen prey to disinformation campaigns that have them convinced that Joe Biden is some sort of Manchurian candidate who's going to turn the country towards socialism. I know there are some people who supported Trump not because they think he's great, but they actually perceive the alternative as worse. Mind boggling, I know!

    How was this possible? I'd suggest watching the Social Dilemma on Netflix for some information. The short version: Big tech companies have created algorithms that let people steep in a more and more polarized version of the "truth." This isn't some nefarious plot by these companies to do away with democracy, it's just about money. I'm stealing a line from one of the people on the show but we now have no common perception of reality in this country and it's probably true around the world as well.
    Completely agree. It's easy to find any reality you want, and the scary thing is that for most people, their version of the truth is the one that is handed to them in bits and pieces by social media and they are completely unaware that it is happening. It's the ultimate gaslighting. You're led down this path for the sole purpose of keeping your eyeballs without any moral considerations for lies you're being fed.

    It's far beyond disagreeing about policy, it's impossible to have rational discussions about two divergent realities where both people have 100% faith in their beliefs. You can't successfully challenge someone's belief system that is based on faith if they see no reason to abandon it.

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    I think that after the new pres gets settled in and comfortable. We're going to see some changes in the hunting laws where we pretty much can just shoot them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    The saddest part of this election are the numbers; SEVENTY-FIVE MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR TRUMP. I don't think we can continue as a democracy with numbers like those.
    Yes the latest tally shows that 74 million voted for Trump. 79 million voted for Biden. And ~ 70 million didn't vote.

    The 2020 election saw one of the largest voter turnout for decades, so apparently more people understood that elections have consequences and got motivated to vote.

    Nevertheless we have some work to do focused on the 70 million who might be convinced to vote in the future.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.


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    Does anyone think you can reason with these people?

    Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2801D4

    Fryar says he would go to war for Trump. He has joined the newly formed South Plains Patriots, a group of a few hundred members that includes a “reactionary” force of about three dozen

    Nothing will convince Fryar and many others here in Sundown - including the town’s mayor, another Patriots member - that Democrat Joe Biden won the Nov. 3 presidential election fairly. They believe Trump’s stream of election-fraud allegations and say they’re preparing for the possibility of a “civil war” with the American political left.

    “If President Trump comes out and says: ‘Guys, I have irrefutable proof of fraud, the courts won’t listen, and I’m now calling on Americans to take up arms,’ we would go,”
    Unshakable trust in Trump in this town of about 1,400 residents reflects a national phenomenon among many Republicans, despite the absence of evidence in a barrage of post-election lawsuits by the president and his allies. About half of Republicans polled by Reuters/Ipsos said Trump “rightfully won” the election but had it stolen from him in systemic fraud favoring Biden, according to a survey conducted between Nov. 13 and 17. Just 29% of Republicans said Biden rightfully won. Other polls since the election have reported that an even higher proportion - up to 80% - of Republicans trust Trump’s baseless fraud narrative.
    This is todays GOP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Does anyone think you can reason with these people? This is todays GOP
    Why bother on the hopeless when there are 70 million who didn't vote and might be persuaded to support facts and a democracy.

    Stacy Abrams has shown what can happen when you focus on the possibilities and not the impossibilities.

    https://apnews.com/article/election-...836a1a95018d82

    Speaking of possibilities and a target rich environment:

    Presidential election turnout among young people ages 18-29 reached 52-55%, significantly higher than the 45-48% turnout of 2016, according to a new youth turnout estimate. Youth voters turned out in large numbers across the country and were instrumental in propelling President-elect Joe Biden and the first female Vice President-elect, Kamala Harris, to victory, particularly in battleground states. Fueled by increased youth activism, young voters overcame uncertainty caused by the pandemic, ongoing economic hardship, and changes to election procedures that affected them, and particularly Black young people, significantly.
    I am 100% convinced the internet and social media are not the salvation to human civility.


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    It is a cult

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    Good. Let him do that.

    Better than killing someone for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I met someone recently who told me he thinks Trump is an a-hole and his political views are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But he votes Republican party line (including Trump) because he doesn't want anybody touching his money.
    ^Extended family member at our last gathering, pre-pandemic.

    A CPA who should know better volunteered that he supported Trump, obviously not expecting controversy. I couldn't help myself and blurted out "He's an awful human being." The answer came back "Oh I know." Taxes, and he's not some making more than $430K.

    Thankfully the encounter was interrupted by someone who could see were it was going, but these things can tend to stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit View Post
    ^Extended family member at our last gathering, pre-pandemic.

    A CPA who should know better volunteered that he supported Trump, obviously not expecting controversy. I couldn't help myself and blurted out "He's an awful human being." The answer came back "Oh I know." Taxes, and he's not some making more than $430K.

    Thankfully the encounter was interrupted by someone who could see were it was going, but these things can tend to stick.

    Responding to your sig line, it is a dark future ahead for at least one Trump--Don Jr. has covid.
    Donald Trump has never had a wife he didn't cheat on.

    Donald Trump has never won a popular vote in a governmental election.

    There are over 13 million covid cases in the United States (as of Thanksgiving), eleven months after Donald Trump said it was "totally under control," and that "it's gonna be just fine."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtanker View Post
    Here in Upstate NY I know Trump voters and Biden voters and they all vote down the party line.

    Such is life, unfortunately.
    I'm a fellow upstater, who has voted mostly for Democrats for several years, although I'll often vote for some candidates on the Working Family party line, and sometimes on the Green for a cross-endorsed candidate. But last year, I took a chance on a Republican judge, as I had sometimes done in years past.

    This particular candidate was the son of a retired (and now deceased) judge who not only had been a friend of my late father, but had also led the NY Republican party for several years, twice having cast the state's votes at the party convention for president. I'd even met his son once years ago, but I was like 17 at the time and he was 12.

    Remembering his father as a level-headed and always fair judge during his career, I took a chance and voted for his son. The guy won, and was ready to take office about 7 weeks later.....until the dirt came out. They never really said publicly what he did, but by the 2nd week of December, he'd declined to be installed. And it seems was even disbarred.

    So, you can see why I will not vote for ANY Republican.
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    It is a cult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    It is a cult
    Yesssssss! Destroy the party! Puhhhlezzze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    It is a cult

    Trump supporters in Georgia vow to destroy the Republican Party if Trump doesn't win pic.twitter.com/04dPRQFfC0
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I'm a fellow upstater, who has voted mostly for Democrats for several years, although I'll often vote for some candidates on the Working Family party line, and sometimes on the Green for a cross-endorsed candidate. But last year, I took a chance on a Republican judge, as I had sometimes done in years past.

    This particular candidate was the son of a retired (and now deceased) judge who not only had been a friend of my late father, but had also led the NY Republican party for several years, twice having cast the state's votes at the party convention for president. I'd even met his son once years ago, but I was like 17 at the time and he was 12.

    Remembering his father as a level-headed and always fair judge during his career, I took a chance and voted for his son. The guy won, and was ready to take office about 7 weeks later.....until the dirt came out. They never really said publicly what he did, but by the 2nd week of December, he'd declined to be installed. And it seems was even disbarred.

    So, you can see why I will not vote for ANY Republican.
    The GOP is the Faithless Party.

    More generally I admit to prejudice concerning professionals with a parent in their field. I suspect complicated motivations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Yesssssss! Destroy the party! Puhhhlezzze.
    Haven't they already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Haven't they already?
    Debatable.
    73,787,551 people voted for Trump. GOP may control Senate. They gained seats in the House.
    I think there's plenty of room for more destruction

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    Debatable.
    73,787,551 people voted for Trump. GOP may control Senate. They gained seats in the House.
    I think there's plenty of room for more destruction
    I think it's been destroyed. 74 million people were willing to go along with the destruction. Deplorable.

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    Tennessee Mayor Won't Issue A Mask Order Until The Holy Ghost Tells Him To

    https://www.wonkette.com/tennessee-m...t-tells-him-to

    How are reasonable people supposed to talk to people like this?
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    Angry Mom Wants Teacher to Tell Kids 'No One' Won Presidential Election

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/angr...204147131.html

    How do you reason with loons like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Tennessee Mayor Won't Issue A Mask Order Until The Holy Ghost Tells Him To

    https://www.wonkette.com/tennessee-m...t-tells-him-to

    How are reasonable people supposed to talk to people like this?
    They aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Falsetti View Post
    Angry Mom Wants Teacher to Tell Kids 'No One' Won Presidential Election

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/angr...204147131.html

    How do you reason with loons like this?
    You don't. You can't. It's a waste of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    I'm a fellow upstater, who has voted mostly for Democrats for several years, although I'll often vote for some candidates on the Working Family party line, and sometimes on the Green for a cross-endorsed candidate. But last year, I took a chance on a Republican judge, as I had sometimes done in years past.

    This particular candidate was the son of a retired (and now deceased) judge who not only had been a friend of my late father, but had also led the NY Republican party for several years, twice having cast the state's votes at the party convention for president. I'd even met his son once years ago, but I was like 17 at the time and he was 12.

    Remembering his father as a level-headed and always fair judge during his career, I took a chance and voted for his son. The guy won, and was ready to take office about 7 weeks later.....until the dirt came out. They never really said publicly what he did, but by the 2nd week of December, he'd declined to be installed. And it seems was even disbarred.

    So, you can see why I will not vote for ANY Republican.
    I’m fine with the way my city/county is going so I voted for all incumbents, in that regard and I believe they were all dems.

    When Cuomo is up again, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishtanker View Post
    I’m fine with the way my city/county is going so I voted for all incumbents, in that regard and I believe they were all dems.

    When Cuomo is up again, not so much.
    Regardless of what you think of Cuomo's politics, I think you'll have to agree that he's been handling the pandemic situation in his state quite well.

    What county are you in?
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