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    Unforeseen aspects of the coronavirus?

    Before you post: There are lots of responses in this country to the virus, and this thread isn't about that. It's also not about how effective (or not) current measures are (plenty of threadspace for that).

    It's also obvious what equities markets think, and there's threadspace for that, too.

    Rather, I'd like folks to speculate a bit, and think about what might be some of the lasting effects that people aren't really talking about yet.

    For instance, one big thing I see is that the forced march to online work, school, etc., may just make organizations realize that physical facilities might be a lot less important than they used to be, in the way that holding media content when you have a streaming service, or having retail outlets everywhere is a lot less important than it used to be.

    This might make for significant realignments of spending. For instance, my local school district just spent north of $85 Million, a huge chunk of its budget, on facilities that will sit empty for the next few months. Imagine those resources devoted to online schooling; there'd be considerable amounts left over for instruction and such as physical facilities spending is redirected.

    Speculating further: The vaunted socializing skills aspect of physical schools may turn out to have been a chimera all these years (something homeschoolers will likely smugly agree with). When you get right down to it, schools are all varying proportions of instruction/kid warehousing; cynics might describe them as "kid jails with programming." Without a reason to dispense said programming from a centralized plant, many kids may simply not need to be in school all that long (many homeschooled kids don't log nearly the hours of their physical-school peers, seemingly to little detriment). Further, there are some kids who genuinely have trouble being in school that long, and may act out because of it; with less confinement, this problem would be expected to diminish.

    Many feel schools now provide "socialization," but it might be more like the socialization that occurs in prison yards than in societies.

    Or workplaces, which have started to embrace working from home; if they were to see productivity not only not drop, but possibly improve? Any number of studies out there show that even the most dedicated of workers spends a considerable amount of time at work not working as it is; if firms see a cost/productivity boost from transferring big chunks of their labor force to online

    Will future generations see this as a watershed moment much like the Industrial Revolution, a "Mobility Revolution?"

    Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT trying to see the pandemic as a good thing (it's not), or suggest only good (or bad) things will come from it, but I'm asking posters to stretch their brains a bit, and speculate away.

    In the spirit of this, it would be most helpful if folks would refrain from making judgmental comments and snark (plenty of threadspace for that, too ) in favor of generating some ideas of what they think things might look like, say, this time next spring, or a few springs after.
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    My wife teaches at a university in downtown Philadelphia.

    She thinks this will be a watershed moment during which online classes become more of the normal, and less of the exception. Not full SNHU online, but closer to that model.

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    A spike in December 2020 and January 2021 births
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    I can see it really causing some massive kick starting some industries to improve their remote infrastructure. It is going to show how badly behind the times a lot of companies and industries are in.
    I work in tech so my company has the ability to handle remote work pretty easily and we are shifting short term to remote work. Hardest thing is just not being able to talk to someone right next to me to get help or help them. That and not being lazy at home but we can handling with out and issue.
    My wife works in engineering and while her company for the field is more cutting edge I would still say the company is 10 years behind. That is more saying something and they are starting to do some scrambling to figure out how to handle going fully remote even temporally as their systems can not handle it very well nor do they have a good video system for it either.
    I expect the end result is her field will jump ahead and catch up wiht the times. They will still need people to work in the office most days in the future but they will be able to do fully do 80-90% of their work remotely after this. That compared to I would say 40% my wife can do now and she struggles with those.

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    Working from home, online education, grocery delivery services, restaurant delivery services, online shopping, video streaming, virtual travel will all get a permanent boost from this experience. They were all in place before this & rising, but this should really kick them higher fast.
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    Given widespread online work/school....

    A lot of people might realize what they MISS. People who work from home have talked about this many places. homeschoolers know this, which is why many of them participate in sports/band/plays at local schools.

    The bandwidth demands alone are likely to cause people significant difficulties in performing tasks. Both at the user end and the server end.

    Heck, my classes, I tell them to talk to each other before class. The 100 level classes do. That kind of informal socialization and social connections go away with distance learning. Lab based courses, clinicals for health care training, those suffer. And there is no chance of IMMEDIATE feedback to the entire class AS information is presented.

    Online is a VERY different beast than in person. And though people think teaching online is more efficient, it really is not. You can't scale them up very easily. They take more instructor time to do well than in person. Etc etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    Given widespread online work/school....

    A lot of people might realize what they MISS. People who work from home have talked about this many places. homeschoolers know this, which is why many of them participate in sports/band/plays at local schools.

    The bandwidth demands alone are likely to cause people significant difficulties in performing tasks. Both at the user end and the server end.

    Heck, my classes, I tell them to talk to each other before class. The 100 level classes do. That kind of informal socialization and social connections go away with distance learning. Lab based courses, clinicals for health care training, those suffer. And there is no chance of IMMEDIATE feedback to the entire class AS information is presented.

    Online is a VERY different beast than in person. And though people think teaching online is more efficient, it really is not. You can't scale them up very easily. They take more instructor time to do well than in person. Etc etc etc.
    My wife teaches classroom and online. She developed a lot of the online class rubric and infrastructure where she works. She would be the first to give you a +1000 that statement.

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    Corporate America may look back at their 2020 bottom line and see that they may not be getting all that much juice for the squeeze from trade shows or face to face client meetings/entertainment.

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    I'm hoping the no handshake thing becomes permanent.

    At networking events, I've shaken quite a few hands that left me wanting to wash my hand... after shaking a hand that's clammy, sweaty, slippery, greasy, wet, etc.

    And hey, I've been guilty too, offering my right hand with some weird sweaty, clammy, slippery, greasy, wet, etc. condition.

    Yeah, let's just do elbows, maybe fist bumps from here to eternity.

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    If the full potential of the pandemic is realized as a mass human die-off, reduction of humanityís burden on the planet would be beneficial to other species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    I'm hoping the no handshake thing becomes permanent.

    At networking events, I've shaken quite a few hands that left me wanting to wash my hand... after shaking a hand that's clammy, sweaty, slippery, greasy, wet, etc.

    And hey, I've been guilty too, offering my right hand with some weird sweaty, clammy, slippery, greasy, wet, etc. condition.

    Yeah, let's just do elbows, maybe fist bumps from here to eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit View Post
    If the full potential of the pandemic is realized as a mass human die-off, reduction of humanityís burden on the planet would be beneficial to other species.
    Supplant CORVID-19 for food and one could argue these times are an application of the Malthus theory of population control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadHabit View Post
    Life without hugs.
    Fine with me. I fricken hate hugging. And I'm old enough to ask sincerely: When did all this hugging crap get started?

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    I'm guessing we will see little immediate change. It could speed up the process of work from home, school by video, etc. but that's all still a long way off from becoming the norm.

    Peoples concern with the virus will last another week or two, then people attention span will take them in a different direction. The average news cycle is about 2 weeks, which is equivalent to the average persons attention span.

    People are already tired of the coverage and life changes and want nothing more than to return to normal life ... which they will do ASAP.

    It will take a Pandemic that kills off a LOT of people before true changes take place. Something like an airborn Ebola that has a two week highly contagious period before symptoms show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    Fine with me. I fricken hate hugging. And I'm old enough to ask sincerely: When did all this hugging crap get started?
    Brohugs bah

    Good question. Could be a 21st century thing. Donít recall that much of it previously.
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    I do not see schools' physical plants becoming obsolete in this day and age where most families need at least two breadwinners just to pay the bills. Who is going to watch the kids during the day?
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    After norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships starting getting attention I wondered how long people would continue taking cruises. Now I wonder even more why people would volunteer to be trapped on a floating petri dish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    I do not see schools' physical plants becoming obsolete in this day and age where most families need at least two breadwinners just to pay the bills. Who is going to watch the kids during the day?
    Two breadwinners...

    Some historians credit the Spanish Flu and WW! with the beginning of women in the workplace, leading up to the 19th Amendment. Talk about a long-term effect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dir-t View Post
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    We call it earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    I do not see schools' physical plants becoming obsolete in this day and age where most families need at least two breadwinners just to pay the bills. Who is going to watch the kids during the day?
    There is some truth to that. Also people will spend just about everything they make and still struggle.
    I am talking about family that bring in 2 people making 6 figure salaries. They will spend what they make. I work with people like that where they can not afford anything because they are so house/ car poor. It take both their salaries just maintain their life.

    But even outside of the dual bread winners you also have a lot of people who just want to work. My wife and I both would go insane if we were stay at home and did not work somewhere. We can and have even talked about going single income when we have kids and neither one of us wants to give up our jobs because we enjoy the careers. We would instead make it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
    Given widespread online work/school....

    A lot of people might realize what they MISS. People who work from home have talked about this many places. homeschoolers know this, which is why many of them participate in sports/band/plays at local schools.

    The bandwidth demands alone are likely to cause people significant difficulties in performing tasks. Both at the user end and the server end.

    Heck, my classes, I tell them to talk to each other before class. The 100 level classes do. That kind of informal socialization and social connections go away with distance learning. Lab based courses, clinicals for health care training, those suffer. And there is no chance of IMMEDIATE feedback to the entire class AS information is presented.

    Online is a VERY different beast than in person. And though people think teaching online is more efficient, it really is not. You can't scale them up very easily. They take more instructor time to do well than in person. Etc etc etc.
    I agree, online's "efficiency" is oversold a lot (but I can totally see it continuing to be oversold, particularly to public school taxpayers, in the same way that school consolidation "efficiency" was oversold). But for awhile, anyway, we're stuck with it--could be an interesting "natural experiment," to see what outcomes are wrought when online-schoolers' experiences start being reported.


    Re socialization, my thinking is that kids will still socialize, but will do so in their immediate communities, rather than at the schools they can no longer attend; I'm curious as to, whether they'll form different connections, "levels" of connections, etc. There was a point in our existence when just about all schooling occurred in the home, if at all, and social lives existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradkay View Post
    I do not see schools' physical plants becoming obsolete in this day and age where most families need at least two breadwinners just to pay the bills. Who is going to watch the kids during the day?
    This is a very real concern, and I'm not sure how things will go. Extended family cannot reasonably be expected to take up all the slack, or they'd have done so.

    Because of it, we may end up with physical facilities routinely drenched in antiseptic, and little change from the status quo.

    There are going to be some bad things to come out of this; too many kids will be left home when they shouldn't have been, some will have been abused, etc., because opportunities are more prevalent, but there might also be some unexpected benefits (such as less bullying, or predatory sexual behavior by teachers).
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    Socialism (perhaps not by name) will become popular:

    People without health care endanger you and your family.

    People without paid sick leave endanger you and your family.

    Working parents without child care endanger you and your family.

    Our health care system is driven by cost accounting resulting in shortages of resources for you and your family.

    I assume vaccination, when ready, will be mandatory to protect you and your family.


    The Libertarian pose might, thankfully for you and your family, go away.
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