2019 TdF Rants

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  • 07-30-2019
    aclinjury
    THE sole reason this tour is more exciting is because Froome was out. If Froome was present, it'd would have been an Ineos choo choo train precession up the mountians, and Bernal would have never been allowed to break out. I'm hoping Froome is done for good.
    No, i'm not French.
  • 07-30-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by upstateSC-rider View Post
    One of my rants/thoughts would be having the polka dot jersey actually go to rider that can actually climb the fastest...Seeing bardet being dropped by domestiques on the last day was pretty sad. I understand anyone can have a bad day but would rather see cumulative KOM times, so to speak, on cat 3 and above climbs.
    Another one of my rants is skyneos, pretty much the NY Yankees of cycling. I think having all of those first-string gc riders on one team will bite them in the a$$...I can, at least, hope. :)

    The Skyneos thing (love that lol) is a travesty. They took my favorite pro, Kwiatkowski, and made him a domestique in the prime of his career. Now, it sounds like the guy doesnít even like bike racing anymore. Heís a former world champion for goodness sake.

    https://cyclingtips.com/2019/07/kwia...y-news-digest/
  • 07-30-2019
    Mapei
    Skyneos buttoned-downedness notwithstanding, I truly enjoyed watching the tour. Julian Alaphilippe was a treat. Despite the fact he was on that team, Bernal had a true combination of spirit, machismo and freshness. The guy looks impossibly young, too!

    It didn't hurt that the magic of modern television (where was it again, the NBC Sports Network?) allowed me and Sogno to watch entire stages commercial free.
  • 07-31-2019
    upstateSC-rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    The Skyneos thing (love that lol) is a travesty. They took my favorite pro, Kwiatkowski, and made him a domestique in the prime of his career. Now, it sounds like the guy doesnít even like bike racing anymore. Heís a former world champion for goodness sake.

    https://cyclingtips.com/2019/07/kwia...y-news-digest/

    Totally agree, even in last year's TdF he was out front deep into the mtn stages and now he doesn't want to even defend his Tour of Poland title.
    They pretty much did the same to EB Hagen, so much Classics potential, like Kwiatowski.
  • 07-31-2019
    troutmd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by upstateSC-rider View Post
    Totally agree, even in last year's TdF he was out front deep into the mtn stages and now he doesn't want to even defend his Tour of Poland title.
    They pretty much did the same to EB Hagen, so much Classics potential, like Kwiatowski.

    Relax - here's a glimpse at 2020 = Froome as a domestique for the new multi-winner wonderkid.

    Let's face it, for decades the "super team"' concept has been honed and perfected to win the TdF formula in a predictable manner, like 7 out of the last 8 years.
  • 07-31-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Relax - here's a glimpse at 2020 = Froome as a domestique for the new multi-winner wonderkid.

    Let's face it, for decades the "super team"' concept has been honed and perfected to win the TdF formula in a predictable manner, like 7 out of the last 8 years.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Itís not even remotely connected to what we were just talking about.
  • 07-31-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Relax - here's a glimpse at 2020 = Froome as a domestique for the new multi-winner wonderkid.

    Let's face it, for decades the "super team"' concept has been honed and perfected to win the TdF formula in a predictable manner, like 7 out of the last 8 years.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Itís not even remotely connected to what we were just talking about.
  • 07-31-2019
    troutmd
    Sorry for being a little obtuse.

    1. Seems some here mentioned Froome's name.

    2. Seems some here are displeased with Sky (or whatever their name is) the super team and its dominace over the Tour.

    3. Predictability leads to boredom/apathy, i.e. the opposite of excitement.

    4. In 2020 Sky will be loaded once more --- now with an aging mountain expert and a 4 time Tdf winner who could become the domestique for the 22 year old Colombian sensation. Think of the drama behind the decision Sky faces: back the ancient one who Father Time has caught or will soon, or back the for many years to come young star thus enhancement your market/advertising value to present and/or future super team sponsors.
  • 07-31-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Sorry for being a little obtuse.

    1. Seems some here mentioned Froome's name.

    2. Seems some here are displeased with Sky (or whatever their name is) the super team and its dominace over the Tour.

    3. Predictability leads to boredom/apathy, i.e. the opposite of excitement.

    4. In 2020 Sky will be loaded once more --- now with an aging mountain expert and a 4 time Tdf winner who could become the domestique for the 22 year old Colombian sensation. Think of the drama behind the decision Sky faces: back the ancient one who Father Time has caught or will soon, or back the for many years to come young star thus enhancement your market/advertising value to present and/or future super team sponsors.

    One will probably race the Giro as GC leader, another the TdF, and the last the Vuelta. Thomas or Bernal could easily end up as top lieutenant in two of those races. Thomas could also return to his original program which targeted one day races a week long stage races and included him acting as support for the TdF. Froome will only be in a support role if heís recovering from injury. The guyís salary is one of the biggest in the history of the sport, only rivaled by the likes of Sagan. If he can race, they are putting him in a GC role. Their budget demands that or letting him go.
  • 07-31-2019
    Rashadabd
    Donít forget they also have Giro winner Carapaz too. :rolleyes: So, someone is probably not going to ride as a GC leader in a grand tour. They also have Diego Rosa who was viewed as a GC leader before joining them. Throw in Kwiatkowsi, the developing Sivakov and you can start to see what some of us are concerned about.
  • 07-31-2019
    troutmd
    Predictability of the winning team over and over and over and over leads to boring. And boring leads to posts like this on this forum:

    * The Tours and week long races where nobody is racing but everybody is protecting their position suck.

    * Do I enjoy it sure, but I prefer the one day races to the stage races. The TdF being my least favorite race to watch. As for the flat sprint stages, well let me know where there are 20k or less to go. The rest isn't worth bothering to watch.

    * Pro cycling isn't as interesting for me as it was 10-15 years ago... It's loosing its appeal. Don't get me wrong, I still look up YouTube highlights daily... But for the UCI to get me watching 100+ miles a day, that is a lot to ask for.

    * TDF = Boring AF. No parity at all in the teams
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    It is the elephant standing in the corner for an entertainment event that last many days; relies increasingly on TV ratings and keeps having the same outcome with repeated, persistent frequency.
  • 08-01-2019
    troutmd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Predictability of the winning team over and over and over and over leads to boring. And boring leads to posts like this on this forum:

    * The Tours and week long races where nobody is racing but everybody is protecting their position suck.

    * Do I enjoy it sure, but I prefer the one day races to the stage races. The TdF being my least favorite race to watch. As for the flat sprint stages, well let me know where there are 20k or less to go. The rest isn't worth bothering to watch.

    * Pro cycling isn't as interesting for me as it was 10-15 years ago... It's loosing its appeal. Don't get me wrong, I still look up YouTube highlights daily... But for the UCI to get me watching 100+ miles a day, that is a lot to ask for.

    * TDF = Boring AF. No parity at all in the teams
    .

    It is the elephant standing in the corner for an entertainment event that last many days; relies increasingly on TV ratings and keeps having the same outcome with repeated, persistent frequency.

    Appears I am not alone about elephants in the corner.

    ***************************

    The Fight To Save Professional Cycling From Itself

    The difference between teams forced to scrounge for sponsors and those swimming in cash shows on the race course. Team Ineos (formerly Team Sky when its chief sponsor was Sky UK) has dominated the biggest stage races of the past decade, winning seven of the past eight Tours de France. With a massive $40 million budget, the team simply signs the best riders, puts them to work for one or two leaders and watches the wins roll in. (Team Ineos didnít respond to a request for comment.)

    Less-wealthy stage race rivals rarely bother launching attacks, knowing their riders are usually no match for top contenders (who can rake in more than $4 million a year). As a result, races have become more predictable, causing viewership to decline. NBC attracted between 200,000 and 300,000 daily U.S. viewers of the Tour de France in 2018óapproximately half the audience in 2009. And while the more exciting 2019 race attracted an average of 359,000 viewers, itís worth noting that, by comparison, the average viewership for a National Football League game last year was 15.8 million.
    [Emphasis Added]

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...save-the-sport
  • 08-01-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Appears I am not alone about elephants in the corner.

    ***************************

    The Fight To Save Professional Cycling From Itself

    The difference between teams forced to scrounge for sponsors and those swimming in cash shows on the race course. Team Ineos (formerly Team Sky when its chief sponsor was Sky UK) has dominated the biggest stage races of the past decade, winning seven of the past eight Tours de France. With a massive $40 million budget, the team simply signs the best riders, puts them to work for one or two leaders and watches the wins roll in. (Team Ineos didnít respond to a request for comment.)

    Less-wealthy stage race rivals rarely bother launching attacks, knowing their riders are usually no match for top contenders (who can rake in more than $4 million a year). As a result, races have become more predictable, causing viewership to decline. NBC attracted between 200,000 and 300,000 daily U.S. viewers of the Tour de France in 2018óapproximately half the audience in 2009. And while the more exciting 2019 race attracted an average of 359,000 viewers, itís worth noting that, by comparison, the average viewership for a National Football League game last year was 15.8 million.
    [Emphasis Added]

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...save-the-sport

    You actually have that backwards. Team Sky has the most talent because it has the most money to spend by a significant margin and the whole British Cycling program at its disposal initially (like they actually shared office space at one point and time).

    Accordingly, other teams couldnít touch them on salaries , equipment, AND support. Thatís how they won all of those races, it was not that they were just awesome on their own and people started throwing money at them because of it. It was actually a system based decision made within the British sports system to do what they had to in order to produce a successful pro cycling team.

    With Sky providing what amounted to an unlimited budget and British cycling providing the training, facilities, and competition know how, combined with a couple of questionable practices on the use of TUEs, they were almost impossible to beat for most teams.
  • 08-01-2019
    KoroninK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    You actually have that backwards. Team Sky has the most talent because it had the most money to spend by a significant margin and the whole British Cycling program at its disposal initially (like they actually shared office space at one point and time). Accordingly, other teams couldnít touch them on salaries , equipment, AND support. Thatís how they won all of those races, it was not that they were just awesome on their own and people started throwing money at them. It was actually a system based decision made within the British sports system to do what they had to in order to produce a successful pro cycling team. With Sky providing what amounted to an unlimited budget and British cycling providing the training, facilities, and competition know how, and a couple of questionable practices on the use of TUEs, they were almost impossible to beat for most teams.

    The reason for the idea of a budget cap that is being thrown around.
  • 08-01-2019
    Rashadabd
    Itís all out there if you are actually interested in the truth. A salary and spending cap of some sort seems to be in the sportís best interest, but those are decisions I donít get to make.

    https://www.prweek.com/article/15253...erly-known-sky

    https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/20...ster-velodrome

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ldness-cycling
  • 08-01-2019
    troutmd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashadabd View Post
    You actually have that backwards. Team Sky has the most talent because it has the most money to spend by a significant margin and the whole British Cycling program at its disposal initially (like they actually shared office space at one point and time).

    Accordingly, other teams couldnít touch them on salaries , equipment, AND support. Thatís how they won all of those races, it was not that they were just awesome on their own and people started throwing money at them because of it. It was actually a system based decision made within the British sports system to do what they had to in order to produce a successful pro cycling team.

    With Sky providing what amounted to an unlimited budget and British cycling providing the training, facilities, and competition know how, combined with a couple of questionable practices on the use of TUEs, they were almost impossible to beat for most teams.

    Of course everyone can't see elephants standing in the room. Boring/predicate TV event sees audience size shrinking due to the haves and the have nots.

    Had you taken he time to study the article, instead of practicing Ready-Fire-Aim, you would have not embarrassed yourself.

    Have a nice day.


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  • 08-01-2019
    Rashadabd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by troutmd View Post
    Of course everyone can't see elephants standing in the room. Boring/predicate TV event sees audience size shrinking due to the haves and the have nots.

    Had you taken he time to study the article, instead of practicing Ready-Fire-Aim, you would have not embarrassed yourself.

    Have a nice day.


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    Iím embarrassing myself on this thread huh? Youíre funny (sort of). You are on here repeatedly talking to yourself about elephants being in some room you are imagining man. Let that sink in.... A number of us have already made the points that article is making. Ironically, you were the one arguing against them. Now, you are trying to make some convoluted point about where pro cycling is, using points we already made to you, but apparently trying to avoid criticizing Skyneos at that same time. If that floats your boat, do you, just donít expect me to sit back and applaud. Embarrassed myself???? Ha ha, still chuckling....