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    Rory Sutherland echos what others have said about Quintana

    The only articles I've seen are in Spanish. Rory Sutherland is now echoing the same sentiments that other riders who have left Movistar over the past few years have said about Quintana and stating Quintana was the reason for leaving. Here's the link to the article (it's in Spanish so if you don't know Spanish you'll need google translate).
    https://www.ciclismointernacional.co...5GcvS-PvXFaSRU

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    Here's another article with more comments from Rory, including comparing the differences in how Valverde and Quintana deal with (and trust) their helpers.

    https://demarrajeweb.com/2020/05/24/...scXWAvD29ePwA4

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    We know you don't like Quintana. We get it. But understand that Moviestar itself is also a problem. Basically Moviestar is a Spanish team and they tend to prefer Spanish riders and will give preferential treatment to Spanish. Moviestar is full of politics, and basically Quintana is treated as an outsider. On the other hand, Soler (who is a domestique at best) is seen as the next coming.

    Meanwhile, Carapaz (an Ecuadorian), who won the Giro for them last year, has left the team, with bitter taste. Let's see what Richar Carapazhas to say about Moviestar.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/r...lix-doc-454719

    Don't you think it says something about Moviestar when basically the 2 guys who have won anything grand tour for them within the last few years, left with bitter taste in their mouth? Don't you think it's peculiar that these 2 guys are also non-Spanish?

    But hey, apparently Moviestar is ok with that little Spanish brat Soler to act like a petulant child in a race, only to annointed the "future leader". It's like nepotism.
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    Yet you are fine with their top domestiques leaving over the past 4 years for the exact same reasons Rory Sutherland said. So even though some have said it's just Spaniards not liking to work for those from Latin America, that doesn't work for Sutherland who is Australian. Sutherland is NOT Spanish or European and didn't speak Spanish when he joined the team. That says as much "outsider" as Quintana who speaks Spanish as his native language. So sorry, but that doesn't work in this case.

    Also Carapaz did it to himself when he signed with Ineos BEFORE the Giro and lead the team on that they still could negotiate with him and had a chance to sign him and then he goes and races some crit WITHOUT ever telling the team. Sorry, but that's all on Carapaz.

    Movistar made the decision very early in the year that they had no interest in bringing Quintana back. Quintana didn't necessarily leave on his own he had no choice because they wasn't going to re-sign him.

    By the way Enric Mas is the one they are hoping will be able to eventually take over the team leadership from Valverde.

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    A quick google search also confirms Sutherlund tied at the hip to a controversial certain Spanish rider on Movistar who caused all the issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoroninK View Post
    Yet you are fine with their top domestiques leaving over the past 4 years for the exact same reasons Rory Sutherland said. So even though some have said it's just Spaniards not liking to work for those from Latin America, that doesn't work for Sutherland who is Australian. Sutherland is NOT Spanish or European and didn't speak Spanish when he joined the team. That says as much "outsider" as Quintana who speaks Spanish as his native language. So sorry, but that doesn't work in this case.

    Also Carapaz did it to himself when he signed with Ineos BEFORE the Giro and lead the team on that they still could negotiate with him and had a chance to sign him and then he goes and races some crit WITHOUT ever telling the team. Sorry, but that's all on Carapaz.

    Movistar made the decision very early in the year that they had no interest in bringing Quintana back. Quintana didn't necessarily leave on his own he had no choice because they wasn't going to re-sign him.

    By the way Enric Mas is the one they are hoping will be able to eventually take over the team leadership from Valverde.
    well you being a Valverde and Moviestar rabid fan, have gone to greath length on your, at times seemingly personal, campaign to smear Quintana.

    Sutherland's personal opinion does not seem all that negative toward Quintana. Big deal if it's Sutherland's (biased) opinion that Quintana is "difficult" to work with. Big effin' deal, these guys are professionals, and it's the job of the director (coach) to make them click as a team. In the NBA, NFL, MLB, or any team sport, then coach has to bear some responsiblity to get the athletes to gel. Yet, you're totally focused on picking on Quintana, and seem to worship Valverde and Moviestar to no end.

    Most of the article you posted above is not even written by Sutherland, but by a.... surprise, surprise.. Spaniard! And you sing like a canary to the article, didn't you?

    And about Carapaz. Have you ever thought maybe Carapaz did what he did because he did not trust and/or did not respect Moviestar leaderhip and politics? Surely if Carapaz was treated fairly, why would he want to leave a fair and nurturing environment? I'm sorry, speaking Spanish alone doesn't mean he was embraced. Ever consider this?

    Moviestar can best be described as a 2nd rated dysfunctional team, with no clear direction of leadership. Valverde is no leader either. The fact that he's allowed to do what he does has more to do with him 1) being Spaniard, and 2) senority. But he ain't a leader. The only 2 guys to have brought any grand tour glory to that team is Carapaz and Quintana, but you don't seem to appreciate this. It must be a thorn for you that no Spaniard rider on Moviestar has done better than Quintana in the last few years on the grand tour stage. But hey, you're still welsome to post up Valverde amazing run of 3rd places or top 5 or top 10 or whatever obscure records of n-th places that nobody really cares.

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    Did you miss that Valverde has won a Grand Tour? Has more race wins season after season than other riders on the team?
    Carapaz created his own mess in that team. Carapaz went to Ineos for money. What happened with Carapaz isn't the first time that agent has done something like that. Remember that agent had Amador sign with Movistar and then sign with Ineos for more money forgetting that Amador had already signed a contract with Movistar. Remember as soon as Movistar waved the signed contract in front of the media the agent and Amador shut up about the contract situation. When it went to arbitration Movistar's contract was upheld and the out fee had to be paid before he could go to Ineos. That same agent was trying to get Movistar to sign a rider that they didn't want because he doesn't fit with the team. Ever consider the problems Carapaz did to himself were orchestrated by his agent?
    Quintana should have left 2-3 years before he finally did. He and the team would have all been better off.

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