Seems like tim johnson's at the reveal in Spain. His red bull helmets peaking out from the SRAM kitted riders on the demo bikes
Personally, I'd like to get my hands on the new fd and find out it works fine. In the meantime my old DA 7800 steel caged derailler mated to sram shifters is doing a capable job moving the chain on my rotor rings
FTA: Now the bad news: It’s not compatible with the current gen (original) Red levers. Because of the modified pivots and links, SRAM had to change the cable pull. Those looking to upgrade in sections will at least need to get the new levers along with the front derailleur. It’s optimized to work with the new X-Glide chainrings.
Hey CliveDS.
Thanks for posting that video. Did you say that RED will be available March 8th? I watched your vid on my phone and the sound quality is not great on it. Also, will there be a compact crank availabe at the tme of release or will that come later?
There is a very limited run of groups going to be available early March and the bigger shipment in June/July. So if you want one in March you need to put in your order with a good dealer.
Looking at all of this i wish theres just going to be a bundle for just the...
Front/Rear Derailers. Shifters and crankset. Thats what i want to upgrade but get the feeling it would somehow be cheaper to upgrade the whole groupset.
Or pick up a old red groupset upgrade the remaining parts to that.
What are you guys going to do?
hmmmmmm not so sure about this Yaw feature. Here's what I put on my blog
"...The only major difference worth mentioning is the new "YAW" feature on the front derailleur. What does this mean? The back half of the derailleur moves more than the front.
In theory this is a good thing. But it seems like an disaster waiting to happen if you even think about cross chaining. I can see it now. You're off the front on the one race you do a year and as you hit the climb you start dumping gears while staying in your 53. BOOM GOES THE CAGE OF YOUR UBEREXPENSIVE DERAILLEUR. Why, because the chain is all the way to the left and the designers thought it would be awesome to make it lean to the right. Hey, it could happen........"
hmmmmmm not so sure about this Yaw feature. Here's what I put on my blog
"The only major difference worth mentioning is the new "YAW" feature on the front derailleur. Whats this mean? The back half of the derailleur move more than the front.
In theory this is a good thing. But while it seems like an disaster waiting to happen if you try at all to cross chain. I can see it now. You're off the front on the one race you do a year and as you hit the climb you start dumping gears while staying in your 53. BOOM GOES THE CAGE OF YOUR UBEREXPENSIVE DERAILLEUR. Why, because the chain is all the way to the left and the designers thought it would be awesome to make it lean even more to the right. Hey, it could happen......."
seriously? you do remember that this is SRAM's top-of-the-line RACE group, right? don't you think that maybe...just maybe...the guys at SRAM (who have a little bit of race experience) know that racers cross-chain all the time? and that they've more than likely designed their RACE parts w/ this in mind?
With or without that new front derailleur, I and many people use the whole cassette while on the big ring. I'm sure the drivetrain wears out a bit faster but I never had any sudden failures or other problems. Even wear is acceptable. The Yaw thing wont change anything apart that you wont have to trim the derailleur when you do get to the extreme cross-chain combos... if you don't want to cross chain, the new Red wont force you to...
I do agree that the old Ti-caged Red front derailleur wasn't that good. Light yes, it worked everytime yes, but shifts were noticably slower than with, say, a Force derailleur. Another reason to stay on the big ring! If trim is eliminated, I'm all for it... but I'm more interested in faster shifts, a stiffer derailleur.
The weight loss of the new Red isn't as dramatic as I thought it would be... I was expecting more difference in the crankset... But I don't mind too much, I wouldn't use that crankset anyway.
By the way, everything is pretty much cross compatible between the old and new Red (or other groups). Cable pull were not changed, they're the same for the brakes and both derailleurs. Cog and chainring spacing too. The only thing is that if you were to use the new front derailleur with the old levers, you would have trimming but for nothing. But the opposite, new levers with an old derailleur, you would lose the trim but might need it if you cross chain (on my cross bike with 38/46 rings, I can use the whole cassette on the big ring without trimming already)...
And I heard there will be another rear derailleur compatible with an Apex sized rear cassette with a 32T cog.
That new brake design is interesting. Tire clearance is always nice to have, and that multi step quick release might come quite handy.
The ease of reach adjustment on brake and gear levers is nice for the shorter of finger.
so some of the reports, which mostly are press release rewrites and therefore likely based on SRAM's words, seem to be saying the crank isnt compatible with say shimano shifters/der.
is that possible? or just the usual manufacturer's suggestion that it "might not work perfectly" to make you worried enough to buy a full group of their stuff?
I was at my LBS in the Boston area yesterday when a SRAM rep was in with a prototype 2012 Red group. I was very impressed with the weight, looks & ergonomics the whole group. The levers are really comfortable, and the crank looks really nice. The chainrings look as if they'll help shifting, and I really like that the 5th spider arm bolt is on the crankarm itself.
Well, I would say they use a Force (or re-branded steel Red) derailleur because it actually works, not because it adds weight. The titanium Red front derailleur sucks. Been there, done that. The day mine broke was a blessing, as it Forced me to "upgrade" to the Force derailleur. Way better.
I'm pretty interested to see the new Red FD, with the Yaw design. That's what I like about SRAM --- innovative developments. Maybe a few of them don't work out, but I'm still a very happy SRAM customer, both MTB and road!
I cant post links yet, but if you go to the Neuvation website, and click on "Deal of the Day" there is a link at the bottom to a Velonews review of the new Red.
Looks like Hydraulic brakes for road bikes (beyond the TT rim brake being used on the new Cervelo P5) will be here in the Fall of 2012 or Spring of 2013. Zipp is also working on new rims/wheels for disc brakes.
The shifter hoods will have hydraulic reservoir in the hoods...nice and clean.
Does anyone know if the new SRAM Red will show up on any complete production bikes this year? For example, I was looking at the Jamis Elite (currently shipping with a full Sram Red 2011 group), but I'd like to get the new Sram red group.
Well, the old Red is the 2012 model still. The new one is 2013. I'm guessing some brands will have it on some 2012 models but not all. The new Red wont be available in big quantities right from March.
Yeah, I don't get the whole crank compatibility thing either. I don't buy it.
My shifters have a lot of use and was thinking about doing a shifter and FD only.
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