• 05-13-2019
    desaljs
    Mounting a really tight tire on a rim...............
    This might be old news to this forum, but new to me. Recently purchased a Diamondback hardtail. The stock tires were so wide, and heavy, that I decided to go with a gravel tire with a file tread, as that is how I will be using this bike. I do have a fair bit of experience changing out bike tires, but mostly on road bikes. Removal of the OEM tires was a bit more difficult than I expected. The bead was really locked in, but it was done with hands and some tire levers.

    On to the mounting, and things got very difficult. I could not get the tire mounted. A quick consult with You Tube revealed that I was battling with friction. Once I lubed up the tire bead, and rims with Dawn dishwashing soap, I was able to mount the tires using just my hands. I was truly amazed at this technique. Just passing this on. I found a small container to store some Dawn, and will keep it in my saddle bag.

    Jim D
  • 05-13-2019
    cxwrench
    Proper lubrication cannot be taken too lightly. There are actually a LOT of products in the moto industry to help getting tires mounted/beads seated. They can be used on bicycle wheels/tires.
  • 05-13-2019
    Jay Strongbow
    By way if you over inflate them for a few days (when not riding) they shouldn't be nearly as bad the second time if you get a flat on the road.
  • 05-14-2019
    Lombard
    Ahh yes, mounting tires will never be the same since the advent of tubeless compatible rims. I started a similar thread here:

    https://forums.roadbikereview.com/wh...ad-367715.html

    One of the mechanics at my shop claims the only way to dislodge the bead on some tires is to place the rim on the ground and step on the bead.

    I'm not sure Jay's method would work on a tubeless compatible tire. And I have to wonder how much I could over inflate the tire before I risk deafness.
  • 05-14-2019
    tlg
    For those stubborn tires, get yourself a Koolstop tire bead jack. I've never met a tire/rim that this didn't make it a piece of cake to get on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZRSz1DlHg


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I'm not sure Jay's method would work on a tubeless compatible tire.

    It helps on tubeless as well.

    Quote:

    And I have to wonder how much I could over inflate the tire before I risk deafness.
    Just inflate to the max recommended pressure, which is always way "over inflated" from actual riding pressure.
  • 05-14-2019
    Lombard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    For those stubborn tires, get yourself a Koolstop tire bead jack. I've never met a tire/rim that this didn't make it a piece of cake to get on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZRSz1DlHg

    Get on, yes. Get off, no.
  • 05-14-2019
    tlg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Get on, yes. Get off, no.

    Yes, per thread title "Mounting a really tight tire on a rim..............."


    As far as getting off, I've never had an issue getting a tubeless tire off with normal levers. (not that I've tried every tire)
  • 05-14-2019
    Kerry Irons
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by desaljs View Post
    On to the mounting, and things got very difficult. I could not get the tire mounted. A quick consult with You Tube revealed that I was battling with friction. Once I lubed up the tire bead, and rims with Dawn dishwashing soap, I was able to mount the tires using just my hands. I was truly amazed at this technique. Just passing this on. I found a small container to store some Dawn, and will keep it in my saddle bag.

    Another thing that works (without leaving soapy residue) is baby powder. People use it to make inner tubes more "slippery" so thy don't stick to the inside of the tire, and if you put it on the bead, the tire will pop into the rim groove more easily.
  • 05-14-2019
    SPlKE
    I've used my saliva in a pinch before.
  • 05-14-2019
    cxwrench
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    I've used my saliva in a pinch before.

    I thought we were talking bikes here? :D
  • 05-14-2019
    Lombard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tlg View Post
    As far as getting off, I've never had an issue getting a tubeless tire off with normal levers. (not that I've tried every tire)

    Try getting a WTB Byway tire off a WTB KOM rim sometime. The tire and rim are virtually inseparable.
  • 05-14-2019
    SPlKE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    I thought we were talking bikes here? :D

    I'm not saying that saliva is on the same level as Phil Wood waterproof grease or ProLink. Or Dawn or WD40.

    But saliva is the next best thing, except for ProLink, which we all know you love nearly as much as I do.
  • 05-15-2019
    Srode
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SPlKE View Post
    I've used my saliva in a pinch before.

    that's what she said
  • 05-15-2019
    No Time Toulouse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    Proper lubrication cannot be taken too lightly. There are actually a LOT of products in the moto industry to help getting tires mounted/beads seated. They can be used on bicycle wheels/tires.

    Including "Monkey Snot"????
  • 05-15-2019
    cxwrench
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by No Time Toulouse View Post
    Including "Monkey Snot"????

    And Llama snot. And JohnnySnot(TM)
  • 05-16-2019
    Lombard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cxwrench View Post
    And Llama snot. And JohnnySnot(TM)

    You mean this:

    https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/p...shifter-grease

    I wonder if putting some of that on the shifter cable where the shifter wraps it would extend the time before it frays on my Shimano "I love to eat cables" shifter.
  • 05-18-2019
    Fredrico
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by desaljs View Post
    This might be old news to this forum, but new to me. Recently purchased a Diamondback hardtail. The stock tires were so wide, and heavy, that I decided to go with a gravel tire with a file tread, as that is how I will be using this bike. I do have a fair bit of experience changing out bike tires, but mostly on road bikes. Removal of the OEM tires was a bit more difficult than I expected. The bead was really locked in, but it was done with hands and some tire levers.

    On to the mounting, and things got very difficult. I could not get the tire mounted. A quick consult with You Tube revealed that I was battling with friction. Once I lubed up the tire bead, and rims with Dawn dishwashing soap, I was able to mount the tires using just my hands. I was truly amazed at this technique. Just passing this on. I found a small container to store some Dawn, and will keep it in my saddle bag.

    Jim D

    Late to the party, but how about talc powder? Not quite as slippery as liquid, but does the job, IME.

    Rub talc around the spare tube before folding it up and putting it in the sandwich bag, and it'll go on nicely replacing a flat on the road. It allows the tube to slide and seat properly when aired up; doesn't "catch" inside the tire flexing over the "flat spot" or bumps; therefore some claim it even lessens rolling resistance.

    It doesn't weigh anything, take up space in your kit, and leaves no residue.