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    Wheel help?

    I'm a 210 lb rider (not racer) and I need to get a rear wheel (built), and I am pretty set on the HED Belgium C2 rim. I am leaning towards an Ultegra 6800 hub, but wonder if there is any real advantage to spending a little more and getting something akin to a DT350 hub instead.

    This is my first wheelset, so I am lost in some of the options and am hoping for some help. I am looking at a build from AEBike (vendor from Handspun/Quality), and spoke options listed are DT Champion, Competition, and Revolution. I can find dimensional data on these, but that doesn't help me much.

    And what about nipples? I hear brass is stronger, aluminum is lighter (I don't really care about saving 3 grams honestly) but then they have "ProLock" nipples. What are these about and do I care?

    I tried calling AEBike, but they didn't know what to recommend for me, and I don't think Handspun is going to talk to me when I am looking for advice to build a single wheel. Can people here pitch in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlazingSlow View Post
    I'm a 210 lb rider (not racer) and I need to get a rear wheel (built), and I am pretty set on the HED Belgium C2 rim. I am leaning towards an Ultegra 6800 hub, but wonder if there is any real advantage to spending a little more and getting something akin to a DT350 hub instead.
    I'm not familiar with the DT350 (I am with the 240) so I'll let someone else help you with that.

    This is my first wheelset, so I am lost in some of the options and am hoping for some help. I am looking at a build from AEBike (vendor from Handspun/Quality), and spoke options listed are DT Champion, Competition, and Revolution. I can find dimensional data on these, but that doesn't help me much.
    I'll give you a rundown and my opinions on the spokes -
    DT Comp - their most popular spoke and for good reasons. The thinner centre section absorbs shock and transmits less shock and load to the most common place for spoke breakages - the j-bend elbow. 2.0/1.8/2.0mm wire thickness.
    DT Champ - plain gauge spokes (same wire thickness for the whole spoke). Inexpensive. Transmits more shock to the elbow. IMO, get them if you just have to save about $0.25 per spoke. 2.0mm wire thickness.
    DT Rev - same as the Comp but a thinner (1.5mm) centre section. Lighter, absorbs more shock. Harder to build with as the spoke twists more. Some say it builds a more durable wheel as more shock loads are absorbed. Only use them/have them used if the builder knows what they're doing (see my site for info).

    And what about nipples? I hear brass is stronger, aluminum is lighter (I don't really care about saving 3 grams honestly) but then they have "ProLock" nipples. What are these about and do I care?
    The best feature of aluminum nipples it their colors. Aluminum are strong enough for me (haven't broken one in over 15 years). You don't need to save a few grams so unless you just have to have a colour, choose brass.
    Prolock is their nipple with a locker fluid in the threads. Properly built wheels don't need the threads to be gummed up to stop nipples unscrewing. I use the best lube I can find - anti-seize compound - and haven't had one nipple unscrew in decades.

    So for you I would suggest - DT Comp spokes (or the equivalent Sapim Race - my fave), brass nipples and enough spokes for your weight and with the Ulteg hub that will be 32/32 anyway. I'd go no lower than 28/32.
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    What is your budget to work with? Building up Belgium C2s with straight pull DT350 hubs is a $750 prospect (with Sapim CX-Ray spokes)

    Although as Belgium builds go...with DT350s you're looking at 1700ish grams. You can go lighter as well as stiffer, but it'll be more than a $750 tab. Although for a 210# fella, lighter isn't all that big a deal unless you have to go up stairs in an apartment complex.
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    Mike, Thanks or the great feedback!! That puts me pretty close to straight on.

    Marc, I'm looking at a rear wheel only at this point, so that helps me mitigate costs until I decide/need a matching front wheel. From AE Bike, I am looking at about $280 as a ultegra/belgium build (32 spoke). For the DT350, I think I add about 90 bucks or so. But I am having a hard time understanding any advantage of DT350s.

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    I will say go with shimano if on a budget; I think they're up there with the most cost effective hub around as they last a really long time and I just like the silent, stealthy roll they have instead of it sounding like there's a weedwacker behind you when you cost. It's always nice to roll smoothly on my shimano hubbed training hoops after a noisy weekend on my carbon race wheels. Just feels like you're gliding everywhere.

    May be an exaggeration but I do think shimano hubs (maybe just good loose ball bearings in general?) are the nicest rolling hubs around.

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    Ok, On Order!! Went with Hed Belgium C2, Ultegra 6800 Hub,
    DT Swiss Revolution Spokes (32 @ 3x pattern) and black brass nipples. All at AEBike for about $270 delivered (Built by Handspun/Quality Wheels). I'll provide some feedback once they it is in!

    PS. I'll have a gator hardside 25mm on it.

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    I have velocity chukkar rims and White Industries hubs, I come in at 275 and o what a difference. Very happy.

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    Finally a reasonable member, looking for a good spoke count and pattern for weight and riding style.
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    Wheel arrived! Shipping was quick (took 8 days from ordering to arrival). One note is that the wheel does not have rim tape, so if you order from them, grab some tape while waiting. Since I was at the lbs anyway, I had them check if the wheel was true, and it was. Got that I 3 pectin and ordered from AEBike.com!

    Also, Thanks Mike! I'll admit there was a point when I thought I wanted the lightest wheels around, but the more I looked into it, it was silly. This Clydesdale needs a solid training wheel that will last!

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